-eztrader-

Wow he makes it look easy!

GrantG

Right - important to account for BTG (Bridge to Gate) lap here vs. full lap in Sport Auto vid of GT R. Even this very fast BTG lap is considerably slower than Porsche's official time of 7:25 for GT3 full lap.

JCtx

I wouldn't buy that MB for the looks alone.

Mvez

GT2RS is what needs to be compared to all these turbo cars. The 997 ran 2:18 years ago....so trust me, on a cold day, with tire warmers, the 991 GT2RS is going to outrun the MB and virtually any production car on the N-ring.

It's going to be a monster, so the days of comparing the specs and lap times of the GT3/RS to all the other range topping turbo cars is pretty much over.

GrantG

Of course the GT2 RS will be faster, but let's be fair to the AMG whose price is between the GT3 and GT3 RS (which it beat by 17 sec) - nowhere near the GT2 RS price...

Mvez

+1. No coincidence that their street cars have gotten better since they began GT3 racing.

MaxLTV

Yep. It's an astonishing time for the price of the car, especially considering it's not a track bargain but more of a luxurious GT. And there is a good chance it's NOT going to be one of those N-ring times that go in stark contrast with how customer cars perform - after all, the base version (S) is showing pretty good times too.

greens

That AMG is quick no doubt but that exhaust note? Awful.

Guest89

That lap is a press car in skilled but non-factory hands; the factory car in a factory GT3 driver's hands would be even faster.

fxz

Top 100 Nürburgring Lap Times

Rank
Manufacturer & Model
Time
Video
Year
1. Radical SR8LM
6:48.00 Watch Onboard ’09
2. Radical SR8
6:56.08 Watch Onboard ’05
3. Porsche 918 Spyder
6:57.00 Watch Onboard ’13
4. Lamborghini Aventador LP 750-4 Superveloce
6:59.73 Watch Onboard ’15
5. NextEV Nio EP9
7:05.12 Watch Onboard ’16
6. Nissan GT-R Nismo
7:08.68 Watch Onboard ’15
7. Mercedes-AMG GT-R
7:10.92 Watch Onboard ’17
8. Gumpert Apollo Speed
7:11.57 Watch Onboard ’09
9. Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR
7:12.13 Watch Onboard ’10
10. Lexus LFA Nurburgring Package
7:14.64 Watch Onboard ’12
11. Donkervoort D8 RS
7:14.89 Watch Onboard ’05
12. Porsche 911 GT2 RS
7:18.00 Onboard N/A ’10
13. Radical SR3 Turbo
7:19.00 Watch Onboard ’03
14. Nissan GT-R
7:19.10 Onboard N/A ’13
15. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1
7:19.63 Watch Onboard ’12
16. Ferrari 488 GTB
7:21.63 Watch Onboard ’15
17. Dodge Viper ACR
7:22.1 Watch Onboard ’09
18. Chevrolet Corvette Z06
7:22.68 Watch Onboard ’11
19. Gumpert Apollo Sport 7:24.00 Onboard N/A ’07
20. Nissan GT-R
7:24.22 Watch Onboard ’11
21. Maserati MC12
7:24.29 Watch Onboard ’04
22. Pagani Zonda F Clubsport
7:24.44 Watch Onboard ’05
23. Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4
7:25.00 Onboard N/A ’11
24. Ferrari Enzo
7:25.21 Watch Onboard ’02
25. KTM X-Bow R
7:25.72 Watch Onboard ’12
26. Mercedes SLS AMG Black Series
7:26.40 Watch Onboard ’14
27. Nissan GT-R
7:26.70 Watch Onboard ’08
28. Porsche 911 GT3 RS 4.0
7:27.00 Watch Onboard ’11
29. BMW M4 GTS
7:27.88 Watch Onboard ’16
30. Ferrari 458 Italia
7:28.00 Watch Onboard ’09
31. McLaren MP4-12C
7:28.00 Onboard N/A ’10
32. Porsche Carrera GT
7:28.71 Watch Onboard ’03
33. Chevy Camaro ZL1
7:29.6 Watch Onboard ’17
34. Mercedes SLS AMG GT
7:30.00 Onboard N/A ’12
35. Porsche 911 GT2
7:31.00 Onboard N/A ’07
36. Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
7:32.00 Watch Onboard ’16
37. Porsche 911 Turbo S
7:32.00 Onboard N/A ’10
38. Ford Shelby GT350R
7:32.19 Onboard N/A ’15
39. Pagani Zonda F
7:33.00 Onboard N/A ’05
40. Porsche 911 GT3 RS
7:33.00 Onboard N/A ’10
41. Koenigsegg CCX
7:33.55 Watch Onboard ’06
42. Koenigsegg CCR
7:34.00 Onboard N/A ’04
43. Audi R8 GT
7:34.00 Onboard N/A ’10
44. Nissan GT-R Spec-V
7:34.46 Onboard N/A ’09
45. RUF RT12
7:35.00 Watch Onboard ’05
46. Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
7:37.47 Watch Onboard ’14
47. Porsche 911 Carrera S
7:37.90 Watch Onboard ’11

neanicu

Unfortunately these days,many times the Ring time and 0-60 MPH sell sport cars,not how the car " feels " getting you there.
WOW,without modesty,the above phrase should be a quote somewhere...
Now I'm a big fan of AMG cars,I've owned one and they are great. I've always seen them as the European " muscle car ". The new Turbo engines make lots of power and sound incredible! Many people buy them as part of a collection,where one is fortunate enough to get a different taste of a large variety of flavors. That's just a great situation to be in! But I think this car should be compared as a direct replacement to a Porsche or a McLaren...or any other sports car capable of achieving this level of performance. Right there it is lacking IMO : to me,the recipe will always be very simple-a very light car,rear wheel drive,as involving as possible(ideally with a manual transmission-but if automatic,at least make it feel very very special),with a Naturally Aspirated high revving engine(this is key IMO),a great suspension,great steering and some of the best brakes in the business.
When all of the above are met,the 0-60 and Ring times become numbers on a paper for people into statistics.

GrantG

I am definitely a member of the subjective feel and involvement club, but if one number means more than all the rest to me, it's the Ring time (since it reflects so many aspects of objective performance).

And it's also a place I'd hope to drive any new European acquisition...

Kobalt

Hey Grant, the last time I was at the Ring, the Ring asked for you - you are obviously missed!

neanicu

The Ring is a wonderful place,so much history behind it! I am sure I'll drive it someday,I know I'd love to! But it's certainly not " the end-all " when it comes to car performance IMO. It's been made " the standard ",but it would probably be the last thing I'd look at when I want to know how a car performs. I will never get to that level of driving in order to achieve times the professionals are doing with a certain car and bragging rights mean absolutely zero to me! Now there are guys who live at the Ring and can hope to achieve that level,but I will never understand how that works for some : I mean,if you have to run a business,or have a job,have a family,how can you possibly spin at the Ring all day?! How do you pay for gas and tires while keeping the wife happy?!

GrantG

It's mutual