991.2 is 3.8 and RS.2???
11-25-2016, 02:55 AM
#46
Drifting
Since you seem to be condescending - a turbo on a GT3RS would be considered a hybrid.
So if you have a third meeting ask if there will be a turbo on the GT3RS - all I am saying is all their competition is there and not enough juice left in the NA engine to get them on a level playing field.
So if you have a third meeting ask if there will be a turbo on the GT3RS - all I am saying is all their competition is there and not enough juice left in the NA engine to get them on a level playing field.
Walliser will be at Daytona, as it's the new RSR's global debut; I will be there too.
I was very surprised that the new RSR was not turbocharged, especially after seeing footage of him in tears at the Le Mans post-qualifying press conference after the turbo cars finally showed their performance hand.
As for them building a turbo GTx car, who cares if it's not a homologation car? A turbo rear engine GT2 has little in common with an NA mid engine race car
11-25-2016, 05:55 AM
#48
991.2 GT3 probably 4.0 with the problem of the 3.8 and the 4.0 is largely used in cup/R/RSR (rentability with diesel gate vw and now Audi...) i think 485-490 hp.
991.2 GT3 RS exist in a last end 991 platform version 4.2? (525 hp?) and definitely the last NA.
992 GT cars come with turbo and hybrid. I hope the rsr is more competittive this year with just central motor...
All i say is purely my personal deduction.
991.2 GT3 RS exist in a last end 991 platform version 4.2? (525 hp?) and definitely the last NA.
992 GT cars come with turbo and hybrid. I hope the rsr is more competittive this year with just central motor...
All i say is purely my personal deduction.
11-25-2016, 10:39 AM
#49
And well ahead of another one of these threads.
11-25-2016, 11:09 AM
#50
Drifting
Sorry to be derisive, but "slapping on a hybrid" indicates a wholesale lack of understanding with respect to the costs and difficulties of integrating Hybrid and ICE, in particular in a mass produced vehicle, the platform of which was never intended for hybrid use, that must compete with competition on price.
Walliser will be at Daytona, as it's the new RSR's global debut; I will be there too.
I was very surprised that the new RSR was not turbocharged, especially after seeing footage of him in tears at the Le Mans post-qualifying press conference after the turbo cars finally showed their performance hand.
As for them building a turbo GTx car, who cares if it's not a homologation car? A turbo rear engine GT2 has little in common with an NA mid engine race car
Walliser will be at Daytona, as it's the new RSR's global debut; I will be there too.
I was very surprised that the new RSR was not turbocharged, especially after seeing footage of him in tears at the Le Mans post-qualifying press conference after the turbo cars finally showed their performance hand.
As for them building a turbo GTx car, who cares if it's not a homologation car? A turbo rear engine GT2 has little in common with an NA mid engine race car
Ford Ferrari Mclaren all hanging their hats on a turbo - as is Porsche thru their entire line up including the GT2RS.
Porsche with the GT3RS adding 30hp with engine wear challenges isn't going to impress anyone today or in 2017 . 2018
I dislike turbo's but it gets the job done and we all know it's a lead follow industry.
11-25-2016, 12:27 PM
#52
Nordschleife Master
Rosenbergendo always seems to be well informed and usually on the money.
I can easily see a bump to 485hp hp with MT option, changes in valve train oiling as with G, lowering RPM redline to 8600 or so, changes in front fascia, larger rear wing, splitter and RS wheels & rubber. Done.
Next RS is the GT2. We know thats TT. That is 2018. By the time a next GT3RS would be online, if at all it would be 2019 at the earliest whcih is then further down the TT road for the auto industry especially for Porsche competitors in the GT3 market. Non GT 911's are already now TT with smaller displacement with amazing performance nearly on par with NA GT3.
Race applications where BOP can level the playing field have no application or relevance to consumer market cars where magazine reviews, journalists and the public perception (bench racing and bragging rights), desires and marketing departments are always clamoring the the latest greatest and "fastest" 0-60 etc...
NA can't keep up with the TT wave. NA is rapidly becoming "old school". To me thats WAY cool.
I can easily see a bump to 485hp hp with MT option, changes in valve train oiling as with G, lowering RPM redline to 8600 or so, changes in front fascia, larger rear wing, splitter and RS wheels & rubber. Done.
Next RS is the GT2. We know thats TT. That is 2018. By the time a next GT3RS would be online, if at all it would be 2019 at the earliest whcih is then further down the TT road for the auto industry especially for Porsche competitors in the GT3 market. Non GT 911's are already now TT with smaller displacement with amazing performance nearly on par with NA GT3.
Race applications where BOP can level the playing field have no application or relevance to consumer market cars where magazine reviews, journalists and the public perception (bench racing and bragging rights), desires and marketing departments are always clamoring the the latest greatest and "fastest" 0-60 etc...
NA can't keep up with the TT wave. NA is rapidly becoming "old school". To me thats WAY cool.
11-25-2016, 12:33 PM
#53
Three Wheelin'
It doesn't make sense to put the 3.8 in the 991.2 GT3. If that is the case, the 991.2 GTS will be faster than the GT3 for sure. I don't doubt the OP, but I hope it isn't true.
11-25-2016, 12:36 PM
#54
Nordschleife Master
Won't be faster on the track with the other improvements. New GTS is expected to have 450hp.
A bump to 485hp for the GT3 is more than enough to separate the two.
A bump to 485hp for the GT3 is more than enough to separate the two.
11-25-2016, 12:38 PM
#55
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Simply no way RS can keep up with its leading ring times without going Turbo.
The RS is all about have the best track times and we have come to a point in the industry where Porsche is forced to follow Ferrari, McLaren etc. to have the horse power and torque to keep up.
The RS is all about have the best track times and we have come to a point in the industry where Porsche is forced to follow Ferrari, McLaren etc. to have the horse power and torque to keep up.
11-25-2016, 12:45 PM
#56
Nordschleife Master
11-25-2016, 12:50 PM
#57
Three Wheelin'
It doesn't make sense that GT3 cup cars in the past have been the same displacement as the road car, but they revert back to lower displacement for the 991.2.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2016-porsche-911-carrera-s-turbo-laps-nurburgring-in-734-sport-auto-test-107396.html
Throw on some MPSC2's and that 7:34 would be a 7:25.
11-25-2016, 01:01 PM
#58
Burning Brakes
.2 GT3 will be a 3.8 with slight bump in hp. The manual option is what they have in their books as making it special, no need for 4.0.
11-25-2016, 01:14 PM
#59
Three Wheelin'
I think it is safe to say many are taking words from Porsche associates to be literal but often only have some association and the term "shared" has a lot of different meaning to it.......meaning a new 3.8L could have new RSR engine architecture and not be 4.0L. Many things could be different vs current version other than displacement.
11-25-2016, 01:18 PM
#60
Drifting
I said the same in quote you posted of mine? Not sure what is different?
I think it is safe to say many are taking words from Porsche associates to be literal but often only have some association and the term "shared" has a lot of different meaning to it.......meaning a new 3.8L could have new RSR engine architecture and not be 4.0L. Many things could be different vs current version other than displacement.
I think it is safe to say many are taking words from Porsche associates to be literal but often only have some association and the term "shared" has a lot of different meaning to it.......meaning a new 3.8L could have new RSR engine architecture and not be 4.0L. Many things could be different vs current version other than displacement.