Wow, I drove the 911R today!
09-12-2016, 01:31 PM
#32
Maybe for a change the decision is not solely based on finances. Maybe it didn't seem interesting, maybe he thought it was a short term limited edition, maybe he's after what he believes will be true future classics, maybe it's about the drive. I'm really embarrassed how 75% of you guys only see anything Porsche as an investment. Go buy watches, gold chains, stocks.
09-12-2016, 01:38 PM
#33
Nordschleife Master
I'm sorry I missed your call inviting me to come along. You did call, right? Weird cause I was with my phone all day 
Please tell us how you feel the gear box and shifter action compares to that of the 4 and .2 GT3 RS?
Thanks.
Please tell us how you feel the gear box and shifter action compares to that of the 4 and .2 GT3 RS?
Thanks.
09-12-2016, 03:44 PM
#34
Rennlist Member
I I referred to “991 gen standards” because undoubtedly with this series we lost in driver involvement compared to 997 GT’s, which were slower cars but more demanding and also more rewarding for the driver (as far as I conceive the essence of driving), and we lost also in driver feeling (I think 997 is a more communicative car…not only for the hydraulic steering).
With 991 RS, Porsche did a too extreme car to be enjoyable on the road, while superbly road compliant and comfy compared to previous generation there is too much grip, braking, driver aids (pdk) to be engaging, when I drive it I think that 90% of involvement is the bang when upshifting at limiter and the engine sound, different story on track where it is another league (although I’d rather something more demanding).
I think the R is the 911 you can keep for years and years forgetting completely what Porsche will do in the future for a number of reasons: the design is perfectly balanced…aggressive but elegant and discrete, the NA engine is at terminus, the manual transmission is simply perfect, such a low weight will be hard to match in the future (look at 991.2 turbo engines which are 40-50 kilos heavier than 991.1), it is a collector item.
With 991 RS, Porsche did a too extreme car to be enjoyable on the road, while superbly road compliant and comfy compared to previous generation there is too much grip, braking, driver aids (pdk) to be engaging, when I drive it I think that 90% of involvement is the bang when upshifting at limiter and the engine sound, different story on track where it is another league (although I’d rather something more demanding).
I think the R is the 911 you can keep for years and years forgetting completely what Porsche will do in the future for a number of reasons: the design is perfectly balanced…aggressive but elegant and discrete, the NA engine is at terminus, the manual transmission is simply perfect, such a low weight will be hard to match in the future (look at 991.2 turbo engines which are 40-50 kilos heavier than 991.1), it is a collector item.
I also think that RWS needs to be factored in, of all 911's I raced or tracked back to my '83SC 964 997RS 3.8 and 4.0 I feel the 991RS is the most playful and nimble. Yes, less feeling in the wheel but you get a lot of comfort back for that and not only comfort but compliant suspension also adds to a nice feel to me. Specially the 997's felt harder and stiffer to me.
With the fake artificial RWS the car is so much more fun, nible and planted I think it wins in driving fun for me.
Of course some of the challenge to keep the nose planted is gone, but its soo much fun horsing these cars around on track or canyon roads...
So as a mission Porsche succeeded, its a dual purpose use car.
The R, mostly street and track capable and the RS mostly track and street capable and they are miles better than anything before but remain a compromise.
Certainly there are many very good and very entertaining cars for sale for street use only that would fall apart at the track, while nothing street legal drives like a CUP on track.
In South Florida there is no fun on the street and the RS gets me everywhere in comfort, including Sebring. If I'd live in California I'd have the R. or GT4 on budget.
I would certainly have both over a 996 or 997.. Only when you want to get real clunky and pure, I'd go 964. The 997 was very cool, CUP like, racing pedigree, steering feel etc. etc. but driving wise, I take the big fat one that's lighter on its feet.
Last edited by TRAKCAR; 09-12-2016 at 04:47 PM.
09-12-2016, 04:55 PM
#36
Your thoughts are welcome Trakcar!
Basically I agree with you about 991 RS, I highlighted the phrase above because it's the same story in my area, I was referring to street use when i said "too much...to be engaging", but the RS is a fantastic car, it takes you everywhere in comfort as you say and it is much more capable on track than a 997 RS, furthermore it looks stunning and inside is so well finished.
The only issue on track is that it is so capable that you must go always at 100% to be engaged, a 997 RS can be engaging even at 80%...but this is not really a fault
I do believe an RS with 100hp more would be the perfect car!
09-12-2016, 05:00 PM
#38
Rennlist Member
^^ Exactly, 100% agreed.
Much easier to go 100% in the 991 VS 997. Advanced VS intermediate driver ability lap time difference has shrunk!
The SC is so advanced now that I go (My) 100% much more often because the safety net does not interfere until you really throw away the corner and when you do, you have a good change of staying out of the wall
I don't like Turbo, but with the PDKS it would be a track bully....
Much easier to go 100% in the 991 VS 997. Advanced VS intermediate driver ability lap time difference has shrunk!
The SC is so advanced now that I go (My) 100% much more often because the safety net does not interfere until you really throw away the corner and when you do, you have a good change of staying out of the wall
I don't like Turbo, but with the PDKS it would be a track bully....
09-12-2016, 05:44 PM
#40
Nordschleife Master
The R was never meant for all applications, as we all know. Just unfortunate the buyers who would like one, for those curvy roads and canyon runs can't have one. As far as value goes, msrp is the true value, not these inflated prices.
09-12-2016, 05:49 PM
#41
Rennlist Member
^ It is marketing-speak to say the 911R is not meant for all applications. It is more track-capable than just about every street car ever produced.
09-14-2016, 02:27 AM
#45
I am a big fan of the 911R and maintain that this is what the 911 should have evolved to by now anyway, and it should be available to all enthusiasts. I have not driven one however. I love to hear the opinions of people like Secret Collector who are not beholden to the car companies, but just love the cars. Thanks for your review.
Jim
Jim