If the 991.2 GT3/RS is a turbo, are you still a buyer?
07-15-2016, 08:32 AM
#76
Three Wheelin'
I assume if/when PAG goes turbo, many will buy it. It will be significantly better with its power delivery. It won't sound as good of course. I think Porsche could convince its GT followers if they once again, make a significant change. Maybe they use the manual option to lure some, maybe they use some cool aero to lure others (something similar to the RSR hood would have me drooling). No fears. They are good at the GT car game. One of the best
07-15-2016, 02:34 PM
#77
Three Wheelin'
Ok this is crazy....stop with 992.2 gt3 turbo talk, it's NOT a turbo. Car has been finalized with specs and design for almost 5 months now. No need to decide what you want to do "if" it is turbo or not because you are wasting valuable energy. It has a NA engine.
07-15-2016, 03:56 PM
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Are you willing to say the same holds true for the GT3RS?
07-15-2016, 06:55 PM
#80
Nordschleife Master
07-15-2016, 08:31 PM
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07-15-2016, 11:34 PM
#85
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I'm not in the market for either a new GT3 or RS so I don't have a dog in this fight but I'd like to toss out a couple of thoughts anyway. I'll say first that RL buddy rubbaman and I sat with Hurley Haywood for dinner twice this week at PSDS Masters Plus and had some long discussions about the very subjects being discussed in this thread. Hurley clearly knows more than he is willing to say and gave away nothing specific but our conversation with him led rubbaman and me to some thoughts that you may interpret any way you like.
1. Buy a 4.0 normally aspirated car now if you can. The basically unobtainable 911R is likely destined to be the pinnacle of the NA 911 concept along with, to a lesser extent, the new RS. Let's say you are one of Porsche's "special customers" and you just spent big bucks on a 911R with a NA 4.0 liter and MT. How are you going to feel if your exclusive new baby is matched by a similarly spec'd and much cheaper run of the mill GT3 or RS in a year or two? Would Porsche do that to those customers?
2. Euro regs for noise and fuel economy are becoming ever more stringent and larger displacement high revving NA engines won't meet them. Turbos will. Will Porsche build market specific cars?
3. The technology in the 919 racer wasn't just developed as a one off for racing. The future is in smaller displacement turbos with ultra sophisticated hybrid augmentation. There are apparently Porsche products in the pipeline that will knock our socks off.
These are just a few of the things we talked about with HH. FWIW, we had the chance to do many laps in the new 3.0 liter twin turbo 991.2 at Barber, both PDK and MT, and if this is the future of Porsche and the GT cars, it's not all bad. There is literally no turbo lag and if you didn't know these cars we're FI you probably couldn't tell. Due to some very sophisticated technical wizardry the power delivery is linear and immediate and the cars pull like a train off the corners. They were a hoot to drive on track.
Just some food for thought, with all due respect to the "second level sources".
1. Buy a 4.0 normally aspirated car now if you can. The basically unobtainable 911R is likely destined to be the pinnacle of the NA 911 concept along with, to a lesser extent, the new RS. Let's say you are one of Porsche's "special customers" and you just spent big bucks on a 911R with a NA 4.0 liter and MT. How are you going to feel if your exclusive new baby is matched by a similarly spec'd and much cheaper run of the mill GT3 or RS in a year or two? Would Porsche do that to those customers?
2. Euro regs for noise and fuel economy are becoming ever more stringent and larger displacement high revving NA engines won't meet them. Turbos will. Will Porsche build market specific cars?
3. The technology in the 919 racer wasn't just developed as a one off for racing. The future is in smaller displacement turbos with ultra sophisticated hybrid augmentation. There are apparently Porsche products in the pipeline that will knock our socks off.
These are just a few of the things we talked about with HH. FWIW, we had the chance to do many laps in the new 3.0 liter twin turbo 991.2 at Barber, both PDK and MT, and if this is the future of Porsche and the GT cars, it's not all bad. There is literally no turbo lag and if you didn't know these cars we're FI you probably couldn't tell. Due to some very sophisticated technical wizardry the power delivery is linear and immediate and the cars pull like a train off the corners. They were a hoot to drive on track.
Just some food for thought, with all due respect to the "second level sources".
Last edited by Mike in CA; 07-16-2016 at 01:17 AM.
07-16-2016, 12:40 AM
#86
I'm not in the market for either a new GT3 or RS so I don't have a dog in this fight but I'd like to toss out a couple of thoughts anyway. I'll say first that RL buddy rubbaman and I sat with Hurley Haywood for dinner twice this week at PSDS Masters Plus and had some long discussions about the very subjects being discussed in this thread. Hurley clearly knows more than he is willing to say and gave away nothing specific but our conversation with him led rubbaman and me to some thoughts that you may interpret any way you like.
1. Buy a 4.0 normally aspirated car now if you can. The basically unobtainable 911R is likely destined to be the pinnacle of the NA 911 concept along with, to a lesser extent, the new RS. Let's say you are one of Porsche's "special customers" and you just spent big bucks on a 911R with a NA 4.0 liter and MT. How are you going to feel if your exclusive new baby is matched by a similarly spec'd and much cheaper run of the mill GT3 or RS in a year or two? Would Porsche do that to those customers?
2. Euro regs for noise and fuel economy are becoming ever more stringent and larger displacement high revving NA engines won't meet them. Turbos will. Will Porsche build market specific cars?
3. The technology in the 919 racer wasn't just developed as a one off for racing. The future is in smaller displacement turbos with ultra sophisticated hybrid augmentation. There are apparently Porsche products in the pipeline that will knock our socks off.
These are just a few of the things we talked about with HH. FWIW, we had the chance to do many laps in the new 3.0 liter twin turbo 991.2 at Barber, both PDK and MT, and if this is the future of Porsche and the GT cars, it's not all bad. There is virually no turbo lag and if you didn't know these cars we're FI you probably couldn't tell. Due to some very sophisticated technical wizardry the power delivery is linear and immediate and the cars pull like a train off the corners. They were a hoot to drive on track.
Just some food for thought, with all due respect to the "second level sources".
1. Buy a 4.0 normally aspirated car now if you can. The basically unobtainable 911R is likely destined to be the pinnacle of the NA 911 concept along with, to a lesser extent, the new RS. Let's say you are one of Porsche's "special customers" and you just spent big bucks on a 911R with a NA 4.0 liter and MT. How are you going to feel if your exclusive new baby is matched by a similarly spec'd and much cheaper run of the mill GT3 or RS in a year or two? Would Porsche do that to those customers?
2. Euro regs for noise and fuel economy are becoming ever more stringent and larger displacement high revving NA engines won't meet them. Turbos will. Will Porsche build market specific cars?
3. The technology in the 919 racer wasn't just developed as a one off for racing. The future is in smaller displacement turbos with ultra sophisticated hybrid augmentation. There are apparently Porsche products in the pipeline that will knock our socks off.
These are just a few of the things we talked about with HH. FWIW, we had the chance to do many laps in the new 3.0 liter twin turbo 991.2 at Barber, both PDK and MT, and if this is the future of Porsche and the GT cars, it's not all bad. There is virually no turbo lag and if you didn't know these cars we're FI you probably couldn't tell. Due to some very sophisticated technical wizardry the power delivery is linear and immediate and the cars pull like a train off the corners. They were a hoot to drive on track.
Just some food for thought, with all due respect to the "second level sources".
07-16-2016, 01:18 AM
#87
Burning Brakes
As always Mike you got the whole enchilada in a few paragraphs! Sums it up quite nicely!
That was the most fun I've had in a long time.
Of course Hurley said he would tell us more but then he would have to kill us
That was the most fun I've had in a long time.
Of course Hurley said he would tell us more but then he would have to kill us
07-16-2016, 01:31 AM
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I'm not in the market for either a new GT3 or RS so I don't have a dog in this fight but I'd like to toss out a couple of thoughts anyway. I'll say first that RL buddy rubbaman and I sat with Hurley Haywood for dinner twice this week at PSDS Masters Plus and had some long discussions about the very subjects being discussed in this thread. Hurley clearly knows more than he is willing to say and gave away nothing specific but our conversation with him led rubbaman and me to some thoughts that you may interpret any way you like.
1. Buy a 4.0 normally aspirated car now if you can. The basically unobtainable 911R is likely destined to be the pinnacle of the NA 911 concept along with, to a lesser extent, the new RS. Let's say you are one of Porsche's "special customers" and you just spent big bucks on a 911R with a NA 4.0 liter and MT. How are you going to feel if your exclusive new baby is matched by a similarly spec'd and much cheaper run of the mill GT3 or RS in a year or two? Would Porsche do that to those customers?
2. Euro regs for noise and fuel economy are becoming ever more stringent and larger displacement high revving NA engines won't meet them. Turbos will. Will Porsche build market specific cars?
3. The technology in the 919 racer wasn't just developed as a one off for racing. The future is in smaller displacement turbos with ultra sophisticated hybrid augmentation. There are apparently Porsche products in the pipeline that will knock our socks off.
These are just a few of the things we talked about with HH. FWIW, we had the chance to do many laps in the new 3.0 liter twin turbo 991.2 at Barber, both PDK and MT, and if this is the future of Porsche and the GT cars, it's not all bad. There is literally no turbo lag and if you didn't know these cars we're FI you probably couldn't tell. Due to some very sophisticated technical wizardry the power delivery is linear and immediate and the cars pull like a train off the corners. They were a hoot to drive on track.
Just some food for thought, with all due respect to the "second level sources".
1. Buy a 4.0 normally aspirated car now if you can. The basically unobtainable 911R is likely destined to be the pinnacle of the NA 911 concept along with, to a lesser extent, the new RS. Let's say you are one of Porsche's "special customers" and you just spent big bucks on a 911R with a NA 4.0 liter and MT. How are you going to feel if your exclusive new baby is matched by a similarly spec'd and much cheaper run of the mill GT3 or RS in a year or two? Would Porsche do that to those customers?
2. Euro regs for noise and fuel economy are becoming ever more stringent and larger displacement high revving NA engines won't meet them. Turbos will. Will Porsche build market specific cars?
3. The technology in the 919 racer wasn't just developed as a one off for racing. The future is in smaller displacement turbos with ultra sophisticated hybrid augmentation. There are apparently Porsche products in the pipeline that will knock our socks off.
These are just a few of the things we talked about with HH. FWIW, we had the chance to do many laps in the new 3.0 liter twin turbo 991.2 at Barber, both PDK and MT, and if this is the future of Porsche and the GT cars, it's not all bad. There is literally no turbo lag and if you didn't know these cars we're FI you probably couldn't tell. Due to some very sophisticated technical wizardry the power delivery is linear and immediate and the cars pull like a train off the corners. They were a hoot to drive on track.
Just some food for thought, with all due respect to the "second level sources".
However, there is ALWAYS turbo lag. It may be a millisecond but it's there and it drives me crazy on the track.
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