secretcollector

Is there a more recent one than July, 2015? If so, would someone please post a link to it or the PDF?

Thanks!

bronson7

Might want to send Eduardo a pm. If anyone would know it would be the King of PTS.

Z356

The 'King', eh? Better than the 'Queen' in this case, I guess.

Gents: The problem is that since July 2015 PAG has categorized
the approved PTS lists 'For Internal Use Only - Confidential'.



I have an even more updated list than Feb 12, 2016 but my copy
doesn't have an exact date. But it has more colors approved than
the Feb 2016 list...so I know it's newer! For example, in it 'Nardo
Grey', the Audi color I chose for my new '16 RS7 (but referred by
Audi as 'Nardo Gray'), has been finally approved for PTS at Porsche!







I am still getting the approved PTS list from my sources inside the
organization but I will not post them in a public forum until I get
permission from Porsche. I have been trying to convince PAG that
it's not in the best interest of their customers, and ultimately PAG,
to hide this list, keep it secret & surround it in 'mystery' once again.
That is the world we lived with during the pre-991 model period
before we started publishing the list & explaining how PTS works
in a series of threads dating back to 2012 here at Rennlist. As a
matter of fact, just four of these threads now have total views
of over one million views...a testament to the popularity of the
subject matter among enthusiasts here at Rennlist! And that
interest has directly translated into record demand for this most
'unique' of options that you can order in a Porsche!



I have made my views known on the 'Confidential' obstacle to the
posting of the approved list to Barbara Boeckenhoff - Manager,
Porsche Exclusive & Personal Design - PCNA, as well as to other
individuals in key positions at both PAG & PCNA. But so far it has
been to no avail. So it's up to all of you, if you want to know the
approved PTS colors & how the PTS windows work, to lobby your
contacts at Porsche & the P-dealers to disseminate this information
& not hold it 'confidential'. The premise of keeping this information
close to the vest is the false assumption that by 'us' not talking about
it too much at places like Rennlist, or allowing the list to be published
in the internet, demand for PTS will go 'down' & be more 'manageable'
for those responsible for planning this 'troublesome' option at the factory.

In the end, PAG will decide what it wants to do...and we either will have
to accept it or shop elsewhere for an alternative brand. I am not going
to send this list to any of you without the approval of PAG, so please
don't ask. So if you want to know about approved PTS colors, you need
to demand a response from PAG, PCNA & your P-dealers. And you can
start by contacting 'Porsche Exclusive' in Atlanta. Even though this group
doesn't actually run PTS in Germany, 'Porsche Exclusive' can be a sounding
board that allows Porsche to hear what you want in regards the PTS program
& option.

Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
Porsche Exclusive - Personal Design Studio
One Porsche Drive
Atlanta, GA 30354
E-Mail: PersonalDesign@porsche.us

So please give it some thought & contact them about this important
topic. Otherwise it will become (once again) the 'exclusive' option
of only those well connected to dealers 'in the know' & assorted VIP's.
And if we return to this 'opaque' world of PTS, the average Porsche
customer will be the principal loser!

So it's up to each & everyone of you to determine the future of this
Paint-to-Sample program. Caveat emptor. You have been warned.

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale, AZ

-eztrader-

Secret. Please share what you have coming in. PTS R?

<3mph

Thanks Eduardo for all your work on PTS. I hope you are successful. I will write to Porsche to express my hope that they will make PTS more open and understandable. Even if it is still quite limited in availability.

Footsoldier

Nice colour choice on the Audi, Eduardo.
I have a Nardo RS6, ordered after seeing one on the autobahn, on the way home after picking up my PTS Porsche!

Z356

Thanks for your support, Daniel!

***

Thanks Footsoldier. Wish we could order a new RS6 (Coupe
or Avant) here in the US. But Audi USA doesn't import it. I
had a 2003 RS6 back in its day & liked it very much!



But I am now totally hooked on the RS7...almost as practical & useful
with space as a wagon (estate) but with better lines! My RS7 looks
like this rather than the one in my photo above, since I did not ordered
the $4500 Carbon-Optic Pkg for which I could not justified its high cost!



***





EZ: Our friend would have to change his RL handle if he revealed
anything to us...so don't ask. Same problem 'Anonymous 918' faces
when asked to meet at a Rennsport. He'll do it...but YOU will never
know if it actually happened!





It's tough to live up to your RL name sometimes!



Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

STG

Seems like PTS has just become another arm of the 918 VIP program or part of the marketing dept of the 911R. You can see, but very few can have

I said this many months ago to the response of the "wailing wall" of PTS colors on display at the factory. Well, there's a wailing wall of 911R advertisements too

Z356

Thanks Pete...I & others here at Rennlist work very hard at it to
make known as much useful information as humanly possible on
this interesting subject, without stepping over the line of confidentiality
with information obtained from reliable sources at Porsche!



***

Let me put this in perspective so that everyone knows precisely
what Pete Stout is referring to in his response today! Here is a
copy of my recent post which mentions Pete by name!

Funny you should say that. I ran into Pete Stout, editor of
PCA's Panorama at the IMSA Laguna Seca race this past
weekend. In discussing the topic, he mentioned that he
thinks that PTS cars have a superior finish to the standard
'stock' cars known to be painted at Zuffenhausen. He
specifically mentioned to me the superb paint (lack of
orange peel in particular) on our friend Jeff Zwart's old
PTS 'Meerblau' 997 gt3 RS 4.0 Limited Edition:



I hope Pete, a frequent Rennlist contributor, chimes in
on his thoughts on the subject. He recently wrote an
editorial about PTS in Panorama, so he is quite knowledgeable
on the subject!

By the way, our own 'Sportscentury', my good friend from
Idaho, wrote an interesting letter to the editor in response
to Pete's PTS column. You can read it in the latest edition
of Panorama:


[/QUOTE]

And here is Pete's reply today to that post:


PTS Whisperer indeed...I just wish PAG would allow
us to understand how the PTS program really works
so that we can even the playing field. The 'little' guy,
if a normal relatively wealthy Porsche customer can
be described as such, might not ever get an opportunity
to order a Limited Edition like the 911R...but he should
have at least a crack at PTS! For heavens sake...our
money is equally as 'green' as those of 918 VIPs!
And we are the loyal customers that have stood with
Porsche our entire lifetime as customers through thick
...and thin!



Did PAG or PCNA respond to your Editor's Note in which
you made some helpful suggestions re PTS in the pages of
PCA's Panorama! To protect copyright material, the image
of your PTS article is too small to read on this post but I
encourage all to open their Feb edition of Pano & read it!







Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

Nizer

+1,000. Even better, back in the day it could be ordered with a manual.

Many lament the lost Euro sport wagon to the rise of the top-heavy super tankers....

Z356

I would be in that camp. My current RS7 weights a ton...make that two +
tons! (4,497 lbs). Even with all the aluminum space frame, the quattro
differentials, engines & stuff adds quite a bit of weight to it. And you can
feel it as you drive it!




I bought a brand-new C5 2003 RS6 Coupe here in the US and that car was
an 'automatic' (ZF Tiptronic). And the C5 chassis was already pretty heavy
- 4,057 lb in fact!

By the way, I don't believe the RS6 ever came with manual transmission
in any market, although some manual conversations were done after the
fact.



You have to go back to the original RS2 Avant to find a 6 Speed manual
from factory. That model only weighted 3516 lbs. But it was also built
in 1994/95 before things got 'weightier' for all auto manufacturers. By
the way, the RS2 Avant was built at Porsche's Rossle-Bau facility at
Zuffenhausen when PAG was suffering financial issues & subcontracted
with Audi & Mercedes to assembled these two models to help with the
cash flow!



On my many visits during the 1990's to the factory, I saw both the RS2
Avant & the Mercedes 500E being finished off inside Porsche's Werk II
at Zuffenhausen...and then test driven off the gates of the plant on the
nearby roads & Autobahns!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale

secretcollector

[/QUOTE]


EZ: Our friend would have to change his RL handle if he revealed
anything to us...so don't ask. Same problem 'Anonymous 918' faces
when asked to meet at a Rennsport. He'll do it...but YOU will never
know if it actually happened!





It's tough to live up to your RL name sometimes!



Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale[/QUOTE]

Nothing as exciting as a PTS R, I'm afraid. I'm actually not a fan of anything Porsche has built since the 2RS and 4.0 - they're just too large all around, too many gizmos and tricky tech for my liking. I'm just an old-school guy I suppose.

However, as a collector of older models, especially in PTS (which was way rarer back then and much more interesting in my opinion) and having had a few more recent PTS cars, I like to keep tabs on which colors are on offer vs. historical and also which colors fellow enthusiasts find most appealing today.

928cs

MTM has made many manual RS6's.

To my knowledge, the last manual Audi RS was the RS4 b7 (2006-2008), and the RS4 B5 and RS4 B6 were also 6 speed manuals.

Anders

There wasn't any RS4 B6 as far as I remember but otherwise correct.

928cs

Too many short nights! You are correct, there wasn't a RS4 B6