911 R allocations
03-10-2016, 03:47 PM
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I just got called today after I was assured a spot, dealer said they were told they had a spot but PCNA called them and took mine away, only 7 non 918 owners are getting cars. This is abhorrent customer service, and to wait this long to pull my spot after I specced it and was told after the release I had a spot secured is just simply ridiculous.
03-10-2016, 05:05 PM
#17
I just got called today after I was assured a spot, dealer said they were told they had a spot but PCNA called them and took mine away, only 7 non 918 owners are getting cars. This is abhorrent customer service, and to wait this long to pull my spot after I specced it and was told after the release I had a spot secured is just simply ridiculous.
03-10-2016, 05:24 PM
#19
[QUOTE="FJSeattle;13095220"]Everyone needs to realize that the 911R wouldn't exist if it were not FOR the 918 buyers.[/QUOTE ]
From TurboDogue
HUGE yawn. Dude really?? Check the facts sir. they are thriving on sales of Macans and Cayennes. The 918 and the other jazzy Motorsports cars reflect the tremendous and year over year over year profit made on the daily driver cars. If they made 40%gm on the 918 globally delivered 1 million dollar cars that's only 367,200,000 in gross margin and that's one time. One run and done. Likely they didn't make 40% on those cars.That's just bean counter guessing, but bet it's close
In contrast and to the point, just last month per Panorama they sold in 2015 30,000 macan and cayenne models in the U.S. only, which equates to 60% of the fleet sales for calendar 2015 and with an average SUV cost of say just say conservatively $75k asp that's roughly annual U.S. Only sales of $2.25 billion and assuming same 40% profit roughly 900,000,000 in gross margin EVERY single year just on those two models. These cars pay for the 918 project, the proliferation of the motorsports program cars and the Le Mans 919 programs. And those numbers above are U.S. Sales only and does include China and Europe or Mid East sales rofl.... Yeah the 918 is the reason they had fun money for the 911R.
From TurboDogue
HUGE yawn. Dude really?? Check the facts sir. they are thriving on sales of Macans and Cayennes. The 918 and the other jazzy Motorsports cars reflect the tremendous and year over year over year profit made on the daily driver cars. If they made 40%gm on the 918 globally delivered 1 million dollar cars that's only 367,200,000 in gross margin and that's one time. One run and done. Likely they didn't make 40% on those cars.That's just bean counter guessing, but bet it's close
In contrast and to the point, just last month per Panorama they sold in 2015 30,000 macan and cayenne models in the U.S. only, which equates to 60% of the fleet sales for calendar 2015 and with an average SUV cost of say just say conservatively $75k asp that's roughly annual U.S. Only sales of $2.25 billion and assuming same 40% profit roughly 900,000,000 in gross margin EVERY single year just on those two models. These cars pay for the 918 project, the proliferation of the motorsports program cars and the Le Mans 919 programs. And those numbers above are U.S. Sales only and does include China and Europe or Mid East sales rofl.... Yeah the 918 is the reason they had fun money for the 911R.
Last edited by TurboDogue; 03-10-2016 at 05:52 PM.
03-10-2016, 05:25 PM
#20
03-10-2016, 05:49 PM
#21
It actually makes a lot of sense.
*Treat the 918 customers with a limited numbered car that actually aren't very special. (Will be special because number plaque and heritage)
Cost a lot more because 000/991. But also worth more because because 000/991.
*Offer the 991.2gt3 with MT and 4.0l for the rest of us. Already built the hype with the R, so everybody has had plenty of cool aid.
918/R owners won't get pissed off because they have 000/991.
Porsche already had all the parts laying around from testing 991gt3/991RS.
For the first time in history Porsche will sell more gt3s than turbos. (Not including 3.0l engines)
We all get great cars and everybody is happy.
*Treat the 918 customers with a limited numbered car that actually aren't very special. (Will be special because number plaque and heritage)
Cost a lot more because 000/991. But also worth more because because 000/991.
*Offer the 991.2gt3 with MT and 4.0l for the rest of us. Already built the hype with the R, so everybody has had plenty of cool aid.
918/R owners won't get pissed off because they have 000/991.
Porsche already had all the parts laying around from testing 991gt3/991RS.
For the first time in history Porsche will sell more gt3s than turbos. (Not including 3.0l engines)
We all get great cars and everybody is happy.
03-10-2016, 06:17 PM
#22
Three Wheelin'
It actually makes a lot of sense.
*Treat the 918 customers with a limited numbered car that actually aren't very special. (Will be special because number plaque and heritage)
Cost a lot more because 000/991. But also worth more because because 000/991.
*Offer the 991.2gt3 with MT and 4.0l for the rest of us. Already built the hype with the R, so everybody has had plenty of cool aid.
918/R owners won't get pissed off because they have 000/991.
Porsche already had all the parts laying around from testing 991gt3/991RS.
For the first time in history Porsche will sell more gt3s than turbos. (Not including 3.0l engines)
We all get great cars and everybody is happy.
*Treat the 918 customers with a limited numbered car that actually aren't very special. (Will be special because number plaque and heritage)
Cost a lot more because 000/991. But also worth more because because 000/991.
*Offer the 991.2gt3 with MT and 4.0l for the rest of us. Already built the hype with the R, so everybody has had plenty of cool aid.
918/R owners won't get pissed off because they have 000/991.
Porsche already had all the parts laying around from testing 991gt3/991RS.
For the first time in history Porsche will sell more gt3s than turbos. (Not including 3.0l engines)
We all get great cars and everybody is happy.
"There was a very limited number of vehicles that were available to the North American market. Porsche Dealers are responsible for controlling their order bank and waiting lists, and Porsche Cars North America cannot direct a dealer to sell a 911 R to a particular customer. "
The fact that all but 7 are going to 918 owners clearly demonstrates Porsche is able to control who gets these cars. They're doing this because of the right of first refusal 918 owners possess and these cars are specifically going to 918 owners consequently.
If it were me, I'd rather be told that these cars are made and sold to 918 owners only rather than be fed BS that Porsche dealers are responsible for waiting lists and that PCNA can't direct a dealer to sell a 911 R to a particular customer when that is precisely what PCNA is doing.
Dan (doesn't care much but, points out an annoying observation)
03-10-2016, 06:45 PM
#23
Rennlist Member
I agree; personally would not have got my hopes up had it been clear early on. However that would have done nothing to promote the brand image. The masses don't know or care about the 918 program.
03-10-2016, 07:38 PM
#24
HUGE yawn. Dude really?? Check the facts sir. they are thriving on sales of Macans and Cayennes. The 918 and the other jazzy Motorsports cars reflect the tremendous and year over year over year profit made on the daily driver cars. If they made 40%gm on the 918 globally delivered 1 million dollar cars that's only 367,200,000 in gross margin and that's one time. One run and done. Likely they didn't make 40% on those cars.That's just bean counter guessing, but bet it's close
In contrast and to the point, just last month per Panorama they sold in 2015 30,000 macan and cayenne models in the U.S. only, which equates to 60% of the fleet sales for calendar 2015 and with an average SUV cost of say just say conservatively $75k asp that's roughly annual U.S. Only sales of $2.25 billion and assuming same 40% profit roughly 900,000,000 in gross margin EVERY single year just on those two models. These cars pay for the 918 project, the proliferation of the motorsports program cars and the Le Mans 919 programs. And those numbers above are U.S. Sales only and does include China and Europe or Mid East sales rofl.... Yeah the 918 is the reason they had fun money for the 911R.
03-10-2016, 07:49 PM
#25
40% Gross margins?!? no way 
Don't guess - go to the source.
http://www.porsche.com/international.../dataandfacts/
"The reduction in the gross margin from 29 percent to 25 percent is mainly the result of the changes in the product mix following the introduction of the Macan model as well as increased expenses in the area of research and development.
Like Uncle Warren says "All the good information is in the back & that tells the story."
They make 18% per vehicle on avg.
Don't guess - go to the source. http://www.porsche.com/international.../dataandfacts/
"The reduction in the gross margin from 29 percent to 25 percent is mainly the result of the changes in the product mix following the introduction of the Macan model as well as increased expenses in the area of research and development.
Like Uncle Warren says "All the good information is in the back & that tells the story."
They make 18% per vehicle on avg.
03-10-2016, 07:58 PM
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all this pressure for special models surprised
either Porsche that wasn t ready for massive flippers etc.
But i am wondering is all due the easy money from FED printers?
either Porsche that wasn t ready for massive flippers etc.
But i am wondering is all due the easy money from FED printers?
03-10-2016, 08:08 PM
#27
I went out for a really lovely drive in our GT3 today with my wife. We stopped off at the beach, had some clam strips, fried oysters, and calamari, and brought home a 4lb lobster for dinner. Enjoyed watching a guy teaching his girlfriend to drive in his new AMG GT-S. The GT3 turned its 6000th mile during the drive, and we were chatting about getting it onto the track. The 911R didn't cross my mind even once.
03-10-2016, 08:15 PM
#28
I went out for a really lovely drive in our GT3 today with my wife. We stopped off at the beach, had some clam strips, fried oysters, and calamari, and brought home a 4lb lobster for dinner. Enjoyed watching a guy teaching his girlfriend to drive in his new AMG GT-S. The GT3 turned its 6000th mile during the drive, and we were chatting about getting it onto the track. The 911R didn't cross my mind even once.
