991 GT2RS
08-25-2018, 06:26 PM
#7111
Isn't gootsoldier car an uk car? Aren't all uk cars 60 liters only? Isn't that gt3 rs the own manthey car? If so, that car, i believe it has 90 liters ( that will be full to make the aligment) and no roll bar. Might be wrong, but roll bar either mag or ss will account for a big portion of the back weight difference.
the rest is turbos and ic, heavier internals and all the other tid bits.
These gt cars are very spec sensitive, a full fat vs a complete lightweight stripper almost feel foreign to each other (not really but enough for someone to feel and have a very different experience).
the rest is turbos and ic, heavier internals and all the other tid bits.
These gt cars are very spec sensitive, a full fat vs a complete lightweight stripper almost feel foreign to each other (not really but enough for someone to feel and have a very different experience).
also, both cars are on Mg wheels.
carbon sawt bars on the 2 WP, but my car has steel roll cage, not the Ti version
08-25-2018, 06:38 PM
#7112
P.S. you cheeky man, playing ze germans like that. 90l in uk is almost as rare pts lol. Nice 'mistake' play.
08-25-2018, 06:56 PM
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08-25-2018, 09:48 PM
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Yes $200K is insane. I'm officially done with Mclaren after hearing there will be 18 more models and variants coming out. The 488 Pista isn't what I expected and mark up is insane on that too. To me Ferrari has lost their way big time. Maybe I can talk the guy down on the RS. Because there's a lot of them on the market over $200K premium. I agree when I think about it further. The 997 vs 991 is a big difference which is why they don't get compared.
08-25-2018, 10:27 PM
#7115
Yes $200K is insane. I'm officially done with Mclaren after hearing there will be 18 more models and variants coming out. The 488 Pista isn't what I expected and mark up is insane on that too. To me Ferrari has lost their way big time. Maybe I can talk the guy down on the RS. Because there's a lot of them on the market over $200K premium. I agree when I think about it further. The 997 vs 991 is a big difference which is why they don't get compared.
To me you cant even compare the 997 GT2RS and the new one, their a world apart
08-25-2018, 10:30 PM
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i donr like turbo, in fact i hate turbos
996T
996gt2
997 gt2//rs
none i likeed
991GTR2RS i loved.
it drove like a very fast GT3.
it didnt feel like turbo
996T
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none i likeed
991GTR2RS i loved.
it drove like a very fast GT3.
it didnt feel like turbo
08-25-2018, 10:34 PM
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08-25-2018, 11:04 PM
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Salesman from SLC Porsche dealer texted me today and asked me if I wanted a new GT2RS. Told him I did at Sticker. He said no. He didn't give me a price but my bet is they are less than 200k.
08-26-2018, 01:25 AM
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08-26-2018, 01:53 AM
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08-26-2018, 01:41 PM
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Seems like the 2RS is around 70-80kg heavier at the rear than a 3RS.
My car is about 90kg heavier than a Manthey 3RS, but I have the steel cage, not the normal Titanium Weissach one.
Sport Auto tested both cars in standard form, and they found an 80kg difference. Got Sport Auto data from Pete95zhn on the other thread.
Weight distribution goes from about 40:60 on the 3RS to 36:64
Seems like the 997GT2RS had similar weight distribution
The engine plus ancillaries is about 40kg extra, the rest seems to be a conscious effort to move weight backwards to help with traction I guess.
I started going faster when I worked out that after the initial nervousness on entry you could really stand on it at the exits, so that makes sense.
On top of that, (I knew this but had forgotten), the 2RS has less downforce than the 3.
GT2RS and .2 GT3RS in Supertest. Measured weights in kg with full tank (both 90l) are:
GT2RS / GT3RS
FL: 299 / 303
FR: 268 / 274
RL: 457 / 419
RR: 489 / 447
Total: 1513 / 1443
GT3RS has more downforce than GT2RS: rear wing at delivered -1 deg @ 200 km/h total df is 143 vs 107 kg.
Rear wing at performance setting (-5 vs -3 deg) @ 200km/h (F/R) 64/136 kg vs 49/93 kg
Not sure why this helps or is necessary, other than to accentuate the 2RS straight line advantage.
The only possibility is that it’s for structural reliability at the higher speeds.
So, all makes sense - the turbo engine is not ideal for this platform in terms of balance. The gains are in a straight line, but you lose some into and round the corners. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad car, and it’s still faster, but does explain why it doesn’t romp away from 3RS.
Also suggests that if the factory cars have a clever way of getting the balance back by moving weight around, or even are able to set it up on a way that is faster but wouldn’t work on the exit of wet corners in customer hands, or cranked on rear downforce, then there’s a fair bit of time to be had over the standard customer set-up. (Plus tires)
So, that’s it. Just need to wait for the Cup R,and get some lightweight rear bodywork made in the meantime...
My car is about 90kg heavier than a Manthey 3RS, but I have the steel cage, not the normal Titanium Weissach one.
Sport Auto tested both cars in standard form, and they found an 80kg difference. Got Sport Auto data from Pete95zhn on the other thread.
Weight distribution goes from about 40:60 on the 3RS to 36:64
Seems like the 997GT2RS had similar weight distribution
The engine plus ancillaries is about 40kg extra, the rest seems to be a conscious effort to move weight backwards to help with traction I guess.
I started going faster when I worked out that after the initial nervousness on entry you could really stand on it at the exits, so that makes sense.
On top of that, (I knew this but had forgotten), the 2RS has less downforce than the 3.
GT2RS and .2 GT3RS in Supertest. Measured weights in kg with full tank (both 90l) are:
GT2RS / GT3RS
FL: 299 / 303
FR: 268 / 274
RL: 457 / 419
RR: 489 / 447
Total: 1513 / 1443
GT3RS has more downforce than GT2RS: rear wing at delivered -1 deg @ 200 km/h total df is 143 vs 107 kg.
Rear wing at performance setting (-5 vs -3 deg) @ 200km/h (F/R) 64/136 kg vs 49/93 kg
Not sure why this helps or is necessary, other than to accentuate the 2RS straight line advantage.
The only possibility is that it’s for structural reliability at the higher speeds.
So, all makes sense - the turbo engine is not ideal for this platform in terms of balance. The gains are in a straight line, but you lose some into and round the corners. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad car, and it’s still faster, but does explain why it doesn’t romp away from 3RS.
Also suggests that if the factory cars have a clever way of getting the balance back by moving weight around, or even are able to set it up on a way that is faster but wouldn’t work on the exit of wet corners in customer hands, or cranked on rear downforce, then there’s a fair bit of time to be had over the standard customer set-up. (Plus tires)
So, that’s it. Just need to wait for the Cup R,and get some lightweight rear bodywork made in the meantime...
Last edited by Footsoldier; 08-26-2018 at 02:24 PM.
08-26-2018, 02:05 PM
#7123
Seems like the 2RS is around 80kg heavier at the rear than a 3RS.
My car is about 90kg heavier than a Manthey 3RS, but I have the steel cage, not the normal Titanium Weissach one.
Sport Auto tested both cars in standard form, and they found an 80kg difference. Got Sport Auto data from Pete95zhn on the other thread.
Weight distribution goes from about 40:60 on the 3RS to 36:64
Seems like the 997GT2RS had similar weight distribution
The engine plus ancillaries is about 40kg extra, the rest seems to be a conscious effort to move weight backwards to help with traction I guess.
I started going faster when I worked out that after the initial nervousness on entry you could really stand on it at the exits, so that makes sense.
On top of that, (I knew this but had forgotten), the 2RS has less downforce than the 3.
GT2RS and .2 GT3RS in Supertest. Measured weights in kg with full tank (both 90l) are:
GT2RS / GT3RS
FL: 299 / 303
FR: 268 / 274
RL: 457 / 419
RR: 489 / 447
Total: 1513 / 1443
GT3RS has more downforce than GT2RS: rear wing at delivered -1 deg @ 200 km/h total df is 143 vs 107 kg.
Rear wing at performance setting (-5 vs -3 deg) @ 200km/h (F/R) 64/136 kg vs 49/93 kg
Not sure why this helps or is necessary, other than to accentuate the 2RS straight line advantage.
The only possibility is that it’s for structural reliability at the higher speeds.
So, all makes sense - the turbo engine is not ideal for this platform in terms of balance. The gains are in a straight line, but you lose some into and round the corners. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad car, and it’s still faster, but does explain why it doesn’t romp away from 3RS.
Also suggests that if the factory cars have a clever way of getting the balance back by moving weight around, or even are able to set it up on a way that is faster but wouldn’t work on the exit of wet corners in customer hands, or cranked on rear downforce, then there’s a fair bit of time to be had over the standard customer set-up. (Plus tires)
So, that’s it. Just need to wait for the Cup R,and get some lightweight rear bodywork made in the meantime...
My car is about 90kg heavier than a Manthey 3RS, but I have the steel cage, not the normal Titanium Weissach one.
Sport Auto tested both cars in standard form, and they found an 80kg difference. Got Sport Auto data from Pete95zhn on the other thread.
Weight distribution goes from about 40:60 on the 3RS to 36:64
Seems like the 997GT2RS had similar weight distribution
The engine plus ancillaries is about 40kg extra, the rest seems to be a conscious effort to move weight backwards to help with traction I guess.
I started going faster when I worked out that after the initial nervousness on entry you could really stand on it at the exits, so that makes sense.
On top of that, (I knew this but had forgotten), the 2RS has less downforce than the 3.
GT2RS and .2 GT3RS in Supertest. Measured weights in kg with full tank (both 90l) are:
GT2RS / GT3RS
FL: 299 / 303
FR: 268 / 274
RL: 457 / 419
RR: 489 / 447
Total: 1513 / 1443
GT3RS has more downforce than GT2RS: rear wing at delivered -1 deg @ 200 km/h total df is 143 vs 107 kg.
Rear wing at performance setting (-5 vs -3 deg) @ 200km/h (F/R) 64/136 kg vs 49/93 kg
Not sure why this helps or is necessary, other than to accentuate the 2RS straight line advantage.
The only possibility is that it’s for structural reliability at the higher speeds.
So, all makes sense - the turbo engine is not ideal for this platform in terms of balance. The gains are in a straight line, but you lose some into and round the corners. Doesn’t mean it’s a bad car, and it’s still faster, but does explain why it doesn’t romp away from 3RS.
Also suggests that if the factory cars have a clever way of getting the balance back by moving weight around, or even are able to set it up on a way that is faster but wouldn’t work on the exit of wet corners in customer hands, or cranked on rear downforce, then there’s a fair bit of time to be had over the standard customer set-up. (Plus tires)
So, that’s it. Just need to wait for the Cup R,and get some lightweight rear bodywork made in the meantime...
Also iam thinking if it will be possible to buy as a porsche motorsport parts, front aero canard and the enormous cup wing (both seen on the GT2 rs monza race car mule...
go on the track use race wing and street or topspeed use normal wing
08-26-2018, 02:43 PM
#7124
You should try the 991.1 gt3 rs wing support, it give more downforce for sure and you can feel it well 👍🏻
Also iam thinking if it will be possible to buy as a porsche motorsport parts, front aero canard and the enormous cup wing (both seen on the GT2 rs monza race car mule...
go on the track use race wing and street or topspeed use normal wing
08-26-2018, 02:49 PM
#7125
with mpsc2 they adjust it on hard and with trofeo or cupR it will be on soft (because the tire is stiff on sidwall and more grip)