soulsea

Hi everyone, please don't get mad that I haven't read the 4000+ posts on this thread, but I need to make a decision soon so I thought I would ask you guys for some input, both on my facts and reasoning.

Triggered by a friend's connection to a 991.2 GT2RS, being that it is a dream car of mine since it was announced, I started doing some investigation and put some feelers out to see what is the best available deal I can get. The best two offers I have:

1. +$140k. Configurable VIP PTS allocation, 3rd quarter delivery, PTS has been accepted but color hasn't been picked yet (apparently VIPs can do that). As a side note there is a hold on PTS at the moment because they need to test if it will mesh with the CF elements, so there is a chance all PTS cars will be denied, if so the markup goes down to $130k.

2. +125k. Configurable regular allocation, non PTS. 4th quarter delivery.

If I decide to do this, option 1 seems a no brainer because PTS is worth the $15k.

All that said, I'm having a really tough time wrapping my head around dropping half a mil on a 911 ($350ish msrp as I configured it). I know 997 GT2RS have appreciated but they only made 500 of those, same limited supply for the 997 4.0 GT3RS ... Porsche hasn't said anything about how many of these cars they will make and there is speculation that they could make almost as many as people want, in which case it would be a 991.1 GT3RS situation where at first they sell for $100k over sticker and a year later at sticker.

It's not that it's all about the money, and I'm happy to pay to play and have normal depreciation, but it will **** me off to no end if by paying this markup I'm basically 'pay $500k for a 911R' guy and now they're trading at $350k. Ad that is a limited edition car.

I hate this so much about Porsche ... the car is in my opinion fairly priced and I wish they would just make enough for every potential customer who is willing to pay $350k for one can get one.

I would really REALLY love to own one of these cars, and if I knew that if I paid the half mil and sold it for $40k less a year and 1000 miles later I wouldn't hesitate, but right now because I can't get any sense of what the supply will be I'm leaning against it, which bums me out.

Any advices?

TRAKCAR

dark knight

the actual question is are you willing to take a risk and save 150k by waiting til next yr for the possibility of an msrp car? does preuninger mean it when he says cars are to be driven, not hedge funds? whyahvent they released production numbers, will it be one for everyone who can afford one?

soulsea

The car is worth $500k to me.
The car isn't worth $100k loss in a year to me.
It's not a matter of affording it, its a matter of what seems sensible to me relative to how much I desire it.

I think the best way to narrow down my question is in this way:

Would I be paying the $140k premium as a result of limited supply and high demand because of the scarcity of the vehicle, or would I be paying it as a 'I want to be 1st on the list' premium?

I'm happy to do the former, not willing to do the latter ... for I am willing to wait if I knew there's a reasonable chance that I could eventually get one.

Thanks.

shapiroeric

Impossible to answer but I would bet on the latter....

usctrojanGT3

Don't do it, be patient. This is not the 997GT2RS. CJ even said that more allocations are coming this year. The only allocations given out so far have been to VIPs, VVVIPs, good PMNA customers, and some other misc allocations. Things will play out similar to the 991.1RS. Not sure that it will sell for MSRP but it'll be much closer to MSRP than it will be to $125k over.

soulsea

Thank you, that's really helpful ... I appreciate it.

usctrojanGT3

Happy to provide my input. Hey look, I was in your shoes about a year ago and was drooling over getting a 991.1RS. I tried hard to get one at MSRP but no luck and ended up paying $50k over (which was on the lower end of the ADM back then). Within 3-6 months you were able to find a configurable allocation for $20k-$25k over and now they are heading towards MSRP. I paid a little over $30k over for my used Voodoo RS last year too. I say give it about 3-6 months to see how things play out with allocations as I strongly believe that they'll be building all these GT cars into 2019.

evilfij

usctrojanGT3

I think prices will come down to $25k-$50k over in 6-12 months.

hf1

How much could you possibly desire this thing, or anything else for that matter? You get it, you pet it, you strap yourself into it, you start it, and then what exactly do you expect to happen? It's just a car, like thousands of others before it and after it, except this one you won't be taking out of 2nd gear on public roads more than once a year. Is this worth prostrating yourself or paying through your nose to get it?

soulsea

That makes sense ... I guess at the end of the day, unless they only make 500 of them or something similar, I will always have the opportunity to buy one at $500k if that's where the market ends up being, so why do it now when the situation is uncertain.

I guess the underlying thought for considering doing it now is if in fact this turns out to be an extremely limited edition car and that this might be my best opportunity to get into one before they go up even further as a result. I mean there are people out there paying 175/200 over as we speak ... do they know something we don't or is it a first one to cars & coffee race?

usctrojanGT3

Those are the same ones that paid $100k over for the .1RS...it's the folks that want it now and have lots of money. No way the 991GT2RS will be limited like the 997GT2RS or 997GT3RS 4.0L....they'll make multiples of those cars....maybe 3,000-4,000 worldwide is my guess. Porsche is in the business of making money, not making collectors happy. The car isn't going to $1m, it's going closer to MSRP. Remember, we always want most what we can't have (or easily have).

thebishman

soulsea

Thanks everyone, you've been really helpful.

I have indeed decided to wait ... this is a car I earnestly desire are than any other on the market today but without the need to be the first one to have one, so I am happy to wait for one if you guys think that it's going to play out similarly to the 991.1 3RS situation

It is unlikely that my small dealership will get an allocation for one, but hopefully markups will become more reasonable once the VIPs and early avocations have been taken care of.

It boggles the mind that these are the sort of concerns one has to deal with on a $350k vehicle ... you'd think if you can afford one you should be able to buy one, but it is what it is. Between the GT3, GT2RS, and upcoming GT3RS, not to mention all the other 911 models I don't know how Porsche is going to make all these GT cars to satisfy all that demand before they retool for the 992. I guess I'll just cross my fingers and hope someone allows me spend my money on their car.