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Old 06-30-2017, 03:14 PM
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​​​​​Once I get an allocation, I'm pushing hard for PTS. Chartreuse here I come.

Sad about the no roll cage in the US, though. My BMW M4 GTS has one.
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Originally Posted by CAlexio View Post
Performante and 720s are both more compelling at $295... @ $330k with weissach you get a fully loaded 720s and it's no contest... by the time you add any options to the GT2 there is simply no reason to spend that much on a 6 cyl turbo car without a carbon tub. It just doesn't make sense to me at its price... should have come In at $230-$240 MSRP max... it's AT LEAST $50k overpriced, $80k overpriced with weissach. Porsche has lost the plot.

Now the really funny part will be seeing dealers trying to charge ADM on it... $400k GT2 anyone?

What a joke.. all of it
Interesting points however I cannot see how this car could come in at $230,000-$240,000 when the 2011 GT2 RS was $245,950 MSRP before options? Now you could say that a $50,000 increase in MSRP is excessive but I was expecting at least $275,000 + for this car. The 2018 GT3 went up $14,000 over the 2016 model for reference. What is the 2011 GT2 RS trading for now in the market? $450,000+? What will a 720S trade for in 3 years time when McLaren announces a 780s? 70% or less of its value it would appear based on the way the market has been going. The Lamborghini will also be worth much less than MSRP. The GT2RS will be worth no worse than MSRP and potentially much more. A lot of folks paid close to $300,000 for a GT3RS with crazy mark ups over sticker. Porsche probably noticed this I think....
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Originally Posted by Sonnen Porsche View Post
Interesting points however I cannot see how this car could come in at $230,000-$240,000 when the 2011 GT2 RS was $245,950 MSRP before options? Now you could say that a $50,000 increase in MSRP is excessive but I was expecting at least $275,000 + for this car. The 2018 GT3 went up $14,000 over the 2016 model for reference. What is the 2011 GT2 RS trading for now in the market? $450,000+? What will a 720S trade for in 3 years time when McLaren announces a 780s? 70% or less of its value it would appear based on the way the market has been going. The Lamborghini will also be worth much less than MSRP. The GT2RS will be worth no worse than MSRP and potentially much more. A lot of folks paid close to $300,000 for a GT3RS with crazy mark ups over sticker. Porsche probably noticed this I think....
Very well said. I dig McLaren, but the 720S won't hold value as well as the GT2 RS. History with the 911 and the McLarens will set the pricing floor, it's just how these things work.

I can probably pick up a second GT2 RS, daily drive it for ~10k miles, and still not depreciate as much as a 720S with 1k miles would.
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Originally Posted by Sonnen Porsche View Post
Interesting points however I cannot see how this car could come in at $230,000-$240,000 when the 2011 GT2 RS was $245,950 MSRP before options?
That's a good argument, but remember that the 997 GT2RS was limited to 500 units worldwide (half the number of 911R's). I expected a high price, but only between $250k-$275k.

I don't want to come off as a hater here either - I love the brand and how can you not love a 700hp RWD 911? Just caught off guard a little by the pricing (and the US pricing seems disproportionately high compared to other markets)...

But for those who could have afforded $250k-$275k (not me), it probably doesn't make much difference
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Originally Posted by Sonnen Porsche View Post
Interesting points however I cannot see how this car could come in at $230,000-$240,000 when the 2011 GT2 RS was $245,950 MSRP before options? Now you could say that a $50,000 increase in MSRP is excessive but I was expecting at least $275,000 + for this car. The 2018 GT3 went up $14,000 over the 2016 model for reference. What is the 2011 GT2 RS trading for now in the market? $450,000+? What will a 720S trade for in 3 years time when McLaren announces a 780s? 70% or less of its value it would appear based on the way the market has been going. The Lamborghini will also be worth much less than MSRP. The GT2RS will be worth no worse than MSRP and potentially much more. A lot of folks paid close to $300,000 for a GT3RS with crazy mark ups over sticker. Porsche probably noticed this I think....
I agree. Mclarens really don't hold their value and that's the problem. They come out with them too fast. I'm only interested in their LT versions. I still want a GT2 RS. That's my dream 911! This is the cream of the crop. It's just Mclaren provides a better option for the price. It looks more exotic. Its just as fast if not faster. But lets be honest. that's a lot of money for a GT3 RS with a modified Turbo S engine. Once the 992 comes out, it'll start all over again.
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Originally Posted by GrantG View Post
It's not even a GT3RS with turbos. The 3RS motor is much more sophisticated than 2RS and the new GT3 (for less than half the money) is even further sophisticated. Pretty sure this motor (that doesn't even rev to 7k) is far less expensive to produce than the 4.0 in the new GT3...

Is the GT2 RS even dry-sump? Don't think I noticed that info (just that it is based on Turbo S which is wet sump).
The engine in the new 2RS revs to 7200rpm...
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Originally Posted by GrantG View Post
Interesting that the GT2 RS (without Weissach) costs more than both the Performante and 720S in USA...

This car is definitely for Porsche die-hards who have to have the fastest 911...
Isn't the current 991.2 TTS already faster than this GT2 RS? At least from 0-60, and maybe even to 100 mph.

Hard to beat the launch of an AWD car.
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I'll admit, the price is heftier than I expected. I typically view the 911 as a bargain supercar. Great value for your money.

Granted, the GT2 / GT2 RS has always pushed the limits on that.

Would've been nice to be priced more accordingly with our non-US brethren, though. Especially considering the loss of the roll cage.
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Originally Posted by DDWPartners Ryan View Post
The engine in the new 2RS revs to 7200rpm...
Thanks! Some of the mules had redlines around 6,800 rpm...
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Originally Posted by CAlexio View Post
I'm "hating" LOL?.. like teenager text talk? Come on man, I'm not exactly a Porsche hater, you can look back through my posts if you wish. Just stating my opinion.. I promise you, not "hating"
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I'm quite enjoying this thread. Leave the teeny bopper comments out and be civil. CAlexuo is one of the biggest Porsche supporters we have around here.
I apologize for my sense of youthfulness...Just for all the past models that came out, we know these cars are below market, and Porsche is probably getting a little more greedy. The GT2RS will be the most competitive car in the range to compete with the Performante and 720S.

To forgive my language, here is a clip of the GT2RS on track:
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit View Post
Isn't the current 991.2 TTS already faster than this GT2 RS? At least from 0-60, and maybe even to 100 mph.

Hard to beat the launch of an AWD car.
That may be, but I'm not going to hold that against the GT2RS. It's a road course car and it is going to smoke every street-legal factory 911 ever made in that setting...
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Porsche Center Dresden is selling a 911 R for 499.000 EUR.

"My" GT2 RS configuration is below 300.000 EUR in Germany (w/o Weissach).

So you could also argue that it is a bargain...
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR View Post
$294 incl Weissach, I assume.

So where does the $100K over GT3RS or TTS come from?

Cleaning lady told me accountants calculated, for every gt2rs sold, 50k will be allocated to replace 991.1 gt3 motors, other 50k was towards development/cost for this particular motor not to blow up. / joke
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Originally Posted by rosenbergendo View Post
Gotta say at that price Im totally out. Much better choices in that price range with carbon tubs.

Same. First at my dealer for one and will likely just convert it to a .2 3RS.
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