1RS Owners: Genuine Disappointment?
02-17-2016, 12:21 AM
#47
Yeah, because wealthy guys never drove a stick...dde44 Please. You guys and your 'the new cars aren't engaging...' BS just sound like a bunch of bitter old men. And OP, you bought a street car and you're surprised it's not a race car?
02-17-2016, 12:40 AM
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cars are now designed by committees who must comply and bring forth a 100% viable concept.
it's working for a lot of manufacturers, in that the return is underwritten by the gentrification of their product lines.
in this case, one can tell that ap got to where he is from the hardcore attitude and subsequent risks he took in conceptualising then pushing forth to market all 996/997gt models, but where to from now?
i'd imagine his work is close to done.
let the kids come onboard and let them do their techno thang.
it's working for a lot of manufacturers, in that the return is underwritten by the gentrification of their product lines.
in this case, one can tell that ap got to where he is from the hardcore attitude and subsequent risks he took in conceptualising then pushing forth to market all 996/997gt models, but where to from now?
i'd imagine his work is close to done.
let the kids come onboard and let them do their techno thang.
02-17-2016, 12:43 AM
#49
Drifting
I wonder if Jörg Bergmeister thought the RS was numb when he broke the track record at The Bilster Berg? Sorry, sounds like first world problems.
02-17-2016, 12:53 AM
#50
Burning Brakes
I am only 38 (just had a birthday)... been owning GT cars since I was 30. I am not bitter at all... just a passionate enthusiast. I currently own a '15 GT3. I have also owned a 997.2 RS and a 997.1 RS... and I hold several POC lap records in a 997.2 cup car.. so I do have some relative experience to back my claims. My comment was not mean't to bash the 991. They are amazing cars!
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02-17-2016, 01:04 AM
#51
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No need to explain yourself. You can clearly see who is ignorant and not, just by the need for some personal attack.
I am only 38 (just had a birthday)... been owning GT cars since I was 30. I am not bitter at all... just a passionate enthusiast. I currently own a '15 GT3. I have also owned a 997.2 RS and a 997.1 RS... and I hold several POC lap records in a 997.2 cup car.. so I do have some relative experience to back my claims. My comment was not mean't to bash the 991. They are amazing cars!
02-17-2016, 01:11 AM
#52
Forum is about expressing your opinion. I've yet to see that someone here thinks the RS is a bad car. Just different.
For many this will be the best RS ever built. (TRAKCAR has hit the sweet spot with his and the way he uses it)
Some will look for an old or wait for the next one. The thing of always backing up your own car gets old.
For many this will be the best RS ever built. (TRAKCAR has hit the sweet spot with his and the way he uses it)
Some will look for an old or wait for the next one. The thing of always backing up your own car gets old.
02-17-2016, 01:18 AM
#53
Drifting
What doesn't make sense to me is why would you hold on to a expensive car like the RS if it doesn't tickle you fancy. The other part which doesn't make sense is like I hate M3 but I am logged in to that forum 24/7. Why would I waste my time? I am not suggesting the stick guys leave but just wondering. Think about it.
02-17-2016, 01:24 AM
#54
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What doesn't make sense to me is why would you hold on to a expensive car like the RS if it doesn't tickle you fancy. The other part which doesn't make sense is like I hate M3 but I am logged in to that forum 24/7. Why would I waste my time? I am not suggesting the stick guys leave but just wondering. Think about it.
As in, not only do I have the most exclusive, ultimate expression of the 911 of its generation, but I'm still not satisfied.
02-17-2016, 01:25 AM
#55
Let me guess, the next word you'll use to describe your previous car is 'soul'...
02-17-2016, 01:29 AM
#56
I always laugh when I hear posters complain about steering feel on the 991 and then I go back and watch the review of the car by Tiff Needle, a guy who has more talent and racing experience in his little finger than any of the blowhards on Rennlist, and he loves the steering feel. Strange.
Some of you guys should read Otto Bettman's book 'The Good Old Days, They Were Terrible'.
Some of you guys should read Otto Bettman's book 'The Good Old Days, They Were Terrible'.
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02-17-2016, 01:35 AM
#57
Drifting
, nothing is good enough for me. I am just so good.
02-17-2016, 01:44 AM
#58
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I agree on all points. Each RS gen is different, yet still an RS.
People always want the latest and greatest, sometimes it just does not workout. I have a extra room full of flat screen tv's because annual CES gives me need for an upgrade, cannot say I like any of them old ones except a KURO, now its OLED and it best all of the old ones but does have its own drawbacks in some areas of pq. Don't know how this correlates, but whatever
People always want the latest and greatest, sometimes it just does not workout. I have a extra room full of flat screen tv's because annual CES gives me need for an upgrade, cannot say I like any of them old ones except a KURO, now its OLED and it best all of the old ones but does have its own drawbacks in some areas of pq. Don't know how this correlates, but whatever
Forum is about expressing your opinion. I've yet to see that someone here thinks the RS is a bad car. Just different.
For many this will be the best RS ever built. (TRAKCAR has hit the sweet spot with his and the way he uses it)
Some will look for an old or wait for the next one. The thing of always backing up your own car gets old.
For many this will be the best RS ever built. (TRAKCAR has hit the sweet spot with his and the way he uses it)
Some will look for an old or wait for the next one. The thing of always backing up your own car gets old.
02-17-2016, 03:15 AM
#59
I knew in a few hours of driving the 991 GT3 in the suburbs surrounding the Heckenheimring and on the actual Hockenheimring that the 991 GT3 wasn't for me. The car was sterile and falsely inspirational. A 9000 RPM engine? So what? Lighting quick gear changes? So what? What does that do? A computer on wheels - a car, in most people's hands, that is faster in auto mode on the track than manual mode. That's not a GT3 as we know it. That's a gimmick. Not all technology is good, not all technology is beneficial.
Formel 1 cars are the fastest most brutal cars on the track. 99.1% of the people here would not be able to turn even a quarter lap without spinning out of control. The nature of race cars - need very quick reflexes and an intuitive automotive feel to drive them. The 997 and 996 cars gave us a little bit of this challenge (they're not race cars either) but the 991 force fed us false confidence and piśśing contests. The really good drivers will be bored with the 991, but the average drivers will love it since it elevates them artificially to something they want to be. Porsche knows this and made a car accordingly. Just my humble but harsh and honest opinion.
02-17-2016, 04:18 AM
#60
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It's one thing to go on a forum and just bash people but it's another thing to go on a forum and give harsh but honest opinions. In my line of work I surround myself with people that challenge me instead of saying 'yes' all the time. It's helped my division grow and outperform the rest of the business segments. I'm getting promoted and taking my team with me - because I love to hear opposing arguments and they deserve this promotion as much as I do. Sometimes they're correct and I'm wrong and sometimes I'm right and they're wrong. I knew in a few hours of driving the 991 GT3 in the suburbs surrounding the Heckenheimring and on the actual Hockenheimring that the 991 GT3 wasn't for me. The car was sterile and falsely inspirational. A 9000 RPM engine? So what? Lighting quick gear changes? So what? What does that do? A computer on wheels - a car, in most people's hands, that is faster in auto mode on the track than manual mode. That's not a GT3 as we know it. That's a gimmick. Not all technology is good, not all technology is beneficial. Formel 1 cars are the fastest most brutal cars on the track. 99.1% of the people here would not be able to turn even a quarter lap without spinning out of control. The nature of race cars - need very quick reflexes and an intuitive automotive feel to drive them. The 997 and 996 cars gave us a little bit of this challenge (they're not race cars either) but the 991 force fed us false confidence and piśśing contests. The really good drivers will be bored with the 991, but the average drivers will love it since it elevates them artificially to something they want to be. Porsche knows this and made a car accordingly. Just my humble but harsh and honest opinion.
Your view is unique to you but as someone who spends one on the track with old and new 911s in equal measure I must say its one of the few reports I've heard that rubbishes the latest GT cars on track.
Just saying