MaxLTV

If planning to drive a lot and/or track, I'd go for a '14, regardless of replaced or non-replaced engine (if it's E, it'll be replaced or repaired). '14s are cheaper and Porsche will not try to get out of getting them fixed if anything happens because the issue is known and confirmed.

If buying to collect, I'd pay extra for the '16.

The '15 is a bit more of a gamble - will they need repairs? when? what will Porsche do? Not as clear cut if they start breaking 3-5 years from now.

But ultimately, I think you will be ok with any of them. Just look for a good car and good price.

Ddesimone17

Thank you that's helpful

Macca

Bruce thanks for the Intel!

Alan C.

Glad too here that it's back together again.

CALSE

PCNA advised my shop that the 2,000 mile motor break-in recommendation applies.

robmypro

Hi Macca, can you provide a count of failed E, F and G engines to date based on the data you are tracking? Thanks!

Macca

Hi Rob. Unfortunately I'm travelling in the USA next few weeks on vacation so operating mostly from iPhone. Currently we are looking at 17 E failures and 4 X F with zero G. That is from this board only. I expect E and F failures to increase incrementally this summer with increased track mileage and use....

mcsmcs1

Do we know when the engine changes were instituted with the 2015 F engines? My 2014 was manufactured 9/2014 at exactly the same time the first 2015s came off the line. In fact a few 2015 buyers got their cars before I got my 2014 E engine. I suspect the first couple months of 2015s do not differ in design from the 2014s or perhaps the last of the 2014s received the newer engine despite being E production. Historically these running changes don't always coincide exactly with the model switchover right?

Macca

The label on your trunk lid has your serial designation. There is no hard data on running changes between E & F. As changes to rocker coatings and metallurgy are fairly benign they could have been made at any time but unlikely before 2015 MY as first reports from customers from issue in E not reported till late 2014 in Europe due to "stop sale" from March to May/June 2014. In fact it could well be changes were not made till part way through 2015 MY as issue became more we'll known. Fact remains till lubrication was addressed 2015 MY G all E & F engines will eventually suffer similar fate when run on track. G engine running revisions were a give away due to a redesigned external oil filter and neck which then promoted us to look at PET and find updated oil pump and newly designed heads etc. for E to F these weren't obvious changes etc...

robmypro

Thanks Macca. I hope you have a great US vacation!

Macca

Thanks Rob. We are having a wonderful time, the American people are treating us very well :-)

robmypro

Awesome. As we should be!

levd

My car started misfiring 10th of May, and been in dealership ever since, except for 1 day when they swapped the coils and asked me to test car on track, following the PAG protocol. It only took 2 laps to get misfire again. Then PAG decided engine will be rebuilt, not replaced. I'm waiting ever since, "enjoying" loaner Macans and Panameras that I'm not allowed to track.

So it's already more than 2 months.

Hopefully I will get my car tomorrow, at least that's what they are promising. Having a track day at Sunday, hoping car will behave well.

I still have 2 more issues unresolved:

1. Paint is heavily falling from the lower side of a car. I have a several 1 euro coin size spots of fallen paint. White over back car. Looks ugly.
2. PDK is working strange in city traffic. When I drive slow, and trying to accelerate smooth, I see RPM's going up and also hear the sound, but there's no acceleration. Then car jumps forward, as something was holding it before, then released. It's even worse with elevation (loading car on trailer is tricky. You try to go up, car stays still. RPM's go up to 3-4000, then car jumps forward. Bloody scary.) PDK was recalibrated at the dealer's in May, but nothing changed.

I can say, I'm more than unhappy Porsche customer. Any advices on how I can probably get some compensation from PAG will be much appreciated.

Car has warranty and I bought it second hand from Porsche Berlin dealership, then brought it to my country. First owner of this car was PAG itself. I'm the second owner.

Quadcammer

how do people think this is ok?

Porsche is pathetic.

robmypro

Sorry to hear that. I would be upset if I had those issues, and that delay. I hope you get it all sorted.