How many 15-16 gt3's have engine replaced?
11-09-2017, 08:20 AM
#2656
Three Wheelin'
Also, since one of your biggest issues is “missed” track days, why didn’t you move into an RS? The issue seems to be “nearly” fixed in that iteration of the 4.0. TRakcar has put his UV car through an extensive amount of track miles without issues.
11-09-2017, 08:45 AM
#2658
Simpler and older things are always going to be more reliable than newer and more complex things. Thats how it always has been and always will be.
I'm sure even this second car will have its own issues.
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
I'm sure even this second car will have its own issues.
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
11-11-2017, 10:56 AM
#2659
Race Director
Simpler and older things are always going to be more reliable than newer and more complex things. Thats how it always has been and always will be.
I'm sure even this second car will have its own issues.
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
I'm sure even this second car will have its own issues.
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
We were doing some pretty spirited driving and the Z06 driver was having a hard time keeping up. Sure the car was new to him, which counts, but the corner speeds capable in the 991 GT3 and RS are levels above the Z06, in the hands of regular drivers. No comparison. The Z06 obviously has a lot more hp and torque, but in the twisties those advantages are very hard to leverage. Great bang for the buck, and they are awesome cars, but saying the GT3 cannot compete is flat out false. In a straight line obviously all advantage to the Z06. But that’s not why i own my GT3.
11-11-2017, 11:27 AM
#2660
Originally Posted by DerStig
Simpler and older things are always going to be more reliable than newer and more complex things. Thats how it always has been and always will be.
I'm sure even this second car will have its own issues.
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
I'm sure even this second car will have its own issues.
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
11-11-2017, 01:42 PM
#2661
Rennlist Member
Having just did a cruise with some friends, including one with a new Z06/Z07 package, i respectfully disagree that the “GT3 cannot even compete with the Z06.”
We were doing some pretty spirited driving and the Z06 driver was having a hard time keeping up. Sure the car was new to him, which counts, but the corner speeds capable in the 991 GT3 and RS are levels above the Z06, in the hands of regular drivers. No comparison. The Z06 obviously has a lot more hp and torque, but in the twisties those advantages are very hard to leverage. Great bang for the buck, and they are awesome cars, but saying the GT3 cannot compete is flat out false. In a straight line obviously all advantage to the Z06. But that’s not why i own my GT3.
We were doing some pretty spirited driving and the Z06 driver was having a hard time keeping up. Sure the car was new to him, which counts, but the corner speeds capable in the 991 GT3 and RS are levels above the Z06, in the hands of regular drivers. No comparison. The Z06 obviously has a lot more hp and torque, but in the twisties those advantages are very hard to leverage. Great bang for the buck, and they are awesome cars, but saying the GT3 cannot compete is flat out false. In a straight line obviously all advantage to the Z06. But that’s not why i own my GT3.
11-11-2017, 05:11 PM
#2662
Rennlist Member
Simpler and older things are always going to be more reliable than newer and more complex things. Thats how it always has been and always will be.
I'm sure even this second car will have its own issues.
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
I'm sure even this second car will have its own issues.
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
11-11-2017, 08:05 PM
#2663
Race Director
Again, i am a fan of the Z06. Especially with the Z07 package. Awesome car! I was really impressed. But if i want to carve up some twisties my GT3 is stupid fast. Cheater car!
If the driver’s skill is high, different story. But i am not saying that. I am talking about an average driver driving a GT3 fast vs. an average driver driving a Z06 fast.
Different animals. In my opinion.
11-11-2017, 09:19 PM
#2664
Just sharing what i witnessed first-hand. I personally like Z06’s and feel they are a ton of car for the money. But with an average driver the GT3 walks away from a Z06 in the twisties. Far more stable. Confidence inspiring. Easier to get the power down. Just far easier to go fast. We will do another run when things warm up, so if my opinion changes i will definitely say it.
Again, i am a fan of the Z06. Especially with the Z07 package. Awesome car! I was really impressed. But if i want to carve up some twisties my GT3 is stupid fast. Cheater car!
If the driver’s skill is high, different story. But i am not saying that. I am talking about an average driver driving a GT3 fast vs. an average driver driving a Z06 fast.
Different animals. In my opinion.
Again, i am a fan of the Z06. Especially with the Z07 package. Awesome car! I was really impressed. But if i want to carve up some twisties my GT3 is stupid fast. Cheater car!
If the driver’s skill is high, different story. But i am not saying that. I am talking about an average driver driving a GT3 fast vs. an average driver driving a Z06 fast.
Different animals. In my opinion.
11-11-2017, 09:22 PM
#2665
i also agree that for the price you pay and performance you get out of these cars, they are hardly a "bargain". You are paying because of the GT3 icon, nothing else.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
Have you seen the new ZR1? Gt3 cannot even compete with Z06, and now there is ZR1 which will probably outlap everything including cars that cost7 figures forget GT3 or 918.
Point being, Porsche better deliver on their cars because all they got going for themselves is "the experience" factor. if I were a 2015 owner who paid the ADMs and waited a year, I would be so upset right now. The previous poster is right, the amount of time you cannot enjoy the car (2-3 months total), loss of track time which you had previous paid, plus car payments and taxes, its just insane that you have to go through this. The engine replacement warranty is nice but its not like amazon prime refund where when you have an issue Porsche is waiting with open arms and key to a new GT3 and you just go on with your life.
11-11-2017, 09:36 PM
#2666
Just sharing what i witnessed first-hand. I personally like Z06’s and feel they are a ton of car for the money. But with an average driver the GT3 walks away from a Z06 in the twisties. Far more stable. Confidence inspiring. Easier to get the power down. Just far easier to go fast. We will do another run when things warm up, so if my opinion changes i will definitely say it.
Again, i am a fan of the Z06. Especially with the Z07 package. Awesome car! I was really impressed. But if i want to carve up some twisties my GT3 is stupid fast. Cheater car!
If the driver’s skill is high, different story. But i am not saying that. I am talking about an average driver driving a GT3 fast vs. an average driver driving a Z06 fast.
Different animals. In my opinion.
Again, i am a fan of the Z06. Especially with the Z07 package. Awesome car! I was really impressed. But if i want to carve up some twisties my GT3 is stupid fast. Cheater car!
If the driver’s skill is high, different story. But i am not saying that. I am talking about an average driver driving a GT3 fast vs. an average driver driving a Z06 fast.
Different animals. In my opinion.
Achilles heel: overheating on a road course in particular the A8 version.
Bish
11-14-2017, 05:35 PM
#2667
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Weird discussion going on ...
Why compare the pace of fast sports cars on the road? If you're near the limits of these fast sports cars on the road, you're insane or taking way more risk than you realize. You can be at 2X or 3X the speed limit in either car and still be below the cars' limits.
On the track, no point in comparing the pace of the cars with drivers who can't drive them near their limits. Near the limits, the pace of the Vette and GT3 is similar, depending on tires and which version of the Vette you're looking at.
But I still prefer the GT3, and to me it's well worth the extra cost.
Why compare the pace of fast sports cars on the road? If you're near the limits of these fast sports cars on the road, you're insane or taking way more risk than you realize. You can be at 2X or 3X the speed limit in either car and still be below the cars' limits.
On the track, no point in comparing the pace of the cars with drivers who can't drive them near their limits. Near the limits, the pace of the Vette and GT3 is similar, depending on tires and which version of the Vette you're looking at.
But I still prefer the GT3, and to me it's well worth the extra cost.
11-14-2017, 09:00 PM
#2668
Rennlist Member
Weird discussion going on ...
Why compare the pace of fast sports cars on the road? If you're near the limits of these fast sports cars on the road, you're insane or taking way more risk than you realize. You can be at 2X or 3X the speed limit in either car and still be below the cars' limits.
On the track, no point in comparing the pace of the cars with drivers who can't drive them near their limits. Near the limits, the pace of the Vette and GT3 is similar, depending on tires and which version of the Vette you're looking at.
But I still prefer the GT3, and to me it's well worth the extra cost.
Why compare the pace of fast sports cars on the road? If you're near the limits of these fast sports cars on the road, you're insane or taking way more risk than you realize. You can be at 2X or 3X the speed limit in either car and still be below the cars' limits.
On the track, no point in comparing the pace of the cars with drivers who can't drive them near their limits. Near the limits, the pace of the Vette and GT3 is similar, depending on tires and which version of the Vette you're looking at.
But I still prefer the GT3, and to me it's well worth the extra cost.
I bought a Grand Sport while I was waiting for my .2 to arrive, and while I clearly prefer the GT3 the Grand Sport has exceeded all my expectations with the exception of a few quality issues
11-14-2017, 10:12 PM
#2669
An average driver in a Z06 will far outperform an average driver in a GT3. Further, with the right alignment and warm tyres as mentioned above, on a road course the GT3 driver won’t stand a chance. This was nothing more than a driver taking it very easy on his Z; they really are a beast performance wise.
Achilles heel: overheating on a road course in particular the A8 version.
Bish
Achilles heel: overheating on a road course in particular the A8 version.
Bish
A skilled driver yes, the ZO6 will smoke the GT3, but definitely not with an average driver. Chassis is way overpowered by the drivetrain, FACT.
And I'm talking stock for stock(tires).
Grand Sport would be better for an average driver and would probably have faster lap times. There are many salvage title Z06's out there for a reason, not a good car for a green or average driver.
Can't wait for the 19' ZR1 to come out, that should be wicked, and with the additional downforce, it will probably be good for all driver skill levels.
11-14-2017, 10:20 PM
#2670
Rennlist Member
it depends on what drive mode the Z06 is in, on the street it would be foolish to use the track modes and in Tour or Sport settings the car cuts power and applies brakes at the first sign of loss of traction. Yes if you are in S2 or Race mode under the Track menu, its all down to driver skill and you need to be a good driver to control all that power.