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Do you know if the red color (pic above) that shows up
in configurator when you select the 2nd PTS box is just
an imaginary placeholder color or does it represent a
real PTS choice? If latter, do you know which one (of
course, only if you are at a liberty to reveal)?
TIA
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Imaginary...but alluding to a potential PTS color. Last year for the
PTS metallic choice they started using a representation that some
thought resembled 'Arena Red Metallic'. At times, PAG has used
other representations to designate a PTS color, such as what was
interpreted as 'Miami Blue' on the RS configurator for PTS solid/uni:
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Originally Posted by Dr. G
Good to know. Any chance Club Blau made the list?
I would think not, but Porsche has eventually put
limited edition colors on the list before, I believe.
Originally Posted by lessthan3mph
I would think there would be a minimum 5 year moratorium
on clubblau before it can be approved for PTS -- based on
what happened with sport classic grey. So that pretty much
rules out 991. Maybe 992?
In fact, Daniel, there is not 'hard & fast' rule as to when PAG decides
to remove the 'exclusivity' of a previously designated color. It took
far less than five years for 'Brewster Green', an original exclusive
color for the Club Coupe edition in MY2012, to be available to anyone
via PTS.
No, 'Club Blau' is not on the Nov 17th 2015 approved list. I had a
very specific conversation on when might 'Club Blau' become available
to others via PTS with a high-ranking employee of 'Porsche Exclusive'
Germany that made the presentation at Rennsport V on how the PCA
60th Anniversary 'GTS Club Coupe' was conceived & executed at PAG.
He told me that for MY2016, the color was 'safe' as an exclusive.
But he could, or would not, commit as to how long the color would
be held 'exclusive' to the 60th PCA Anniversary limited edition. He
did say that PCA was lobbying hard PAG to make sure that this color
remained unique to their 60th anniversary edition. But as you have
heard me say a number of times, PTS is not controlled by 'Porsche
Exclusive' at PAG. Hopefully, if they let me interview these officials
later this year, I will try to get an answer to that question.
Imaginary...but alluding to a potential PTS color. Last year for the
PTS metallic choice they started using a representation that some
thought resembled 'Arena Red Metallic'. At times, PAG has used
other representations to designate a PTS color, such as what was
interpreted as 'Miami Blue' on the RS configurator for PTS solid/uni:
Thanks Eduardo!
Originally Posted by bronson7
Could it be Carmine red?
I doubt that, since there is a Carmine red separately under "Special colors" (I doubt Porsche will offer the same color as a special color and a PTS on the same car). Also, as depicted in the configurator, the PTS "imaginary red" is darker than the Carmine red under special colors.
Maybe it is one of the reds from this pic Eduardo posted in the other PTS thread -
Eduardo, do you know what the 2 left most reds in that pic are? Guessing the left most one is rubystone red? Thanks again.
...Maybe it is one of the reds from this pic Eduardo posted in the other PTS thread -
Eduardo, do you know what the 2 left most reds in that pic are? Guessing the left most one is rubystone red? Thanks again.
I think you are right about the far left on as 'Rubystone'
Or the color PAG today calls 'Ruby Star' / 'Sternrubin', color code 82N.
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In fact, those photos were taken at Zuffenhausen by RSGT (Gerald).
They were posted at the Reference PTS thread I started at the 991
gt3 forum. Maybe Gerald took notes of every color on that board.
You should ask him.
*************************************************** My recollection of PTS windows on the .1 991 gt3... Good question. Let me start from the MY2016 & work myself backwards. A) There was never a PTS window opened for the MY2016 .1 991 gt3. We have been told that PAG did not allowed any MY2016 991 gt3s to be ordered or built. B) There was never a true PTS window opened for MY2015 .1 991 gt3s per se, at least not for US customers. When new '15 gt3 allocations were finally given by PAG to PCNA and then to their dealers (around Sept of 2014), PAG declared a moratorium on PTS and didn't allow most, if any, of the totally 'new' 2015 gt3 allocations handed out in the Fall of 2015 (& afterwards) to be ordered as PTS. The only new allocations of MY2015 gt3s I know of where the 30 late allocations that we discovered in March of 2015 and that did not correspond to any opening of a PTS window. These 30 gt3s were done in ten each in only three colors decided by PAG/PCNA, not the dealers nor the customers. https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...grey-gt3s.html C) The only 'normal' PTS window for the .1 991 gt3 was for MY2014. And even then, the window was closed for US clients before the window closed for Canadian customers. I will have to research the exact dates when those windows were opened & closed. But the whole exercise was disrupted just after production started of the first MY2014 gt3s by the 'Stop Sale' disaster. The PTS gt3s that were delivered before the 'Stop Sale' were the lucky ones. The PTS gt3s held up in port or at the factory in Zuffenhausen were delayed but at least built, waiting for an engine replacement that eventually was done to each. It was the late production '14 gt3s in PTS that were not started that met an unusual fate. They were pushed into MY2015 production slots and in fact became the only '15 gt3's that were in fact ordered as PTS by actual customers or dealers on spec on the US market. There were not that many of those for the US market....but a few keep popping up from time to time for resale! See post # 974 https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...y-gt3s-65.html In Europe & ROW, the situation could have been slightly different. If PAG gave their ROW dealers MY2015 allocations PRIOR to the moratorium on PTS (so say June, July, August of 2015), some of these MY2015 ROW gt3s could have been ordered & eventually built as PTS. That unfortunately was not the case with how PAG dealt with PCNA and our allocations arrived too late to take advantage of PTS before the moratorium was declared by PAG early in the fall of 2014. This is all from memory now. So we will have to double check. But I hope that gives you some idea of how PTS worked on the .1 991 gt3. Saludos, Eduardo Carmel
Thanks for the detailed insight!!
Sounds like the engine issue essentially crushed PTS, possibly due to length of time to manufacture the car? Thinking reducing the time a car would sit in manufacturing was a priority due to resolving engine issue, building replacements, while still getting ready for the next model going down the line?
Curious on prospects for PTS on 991.2 GT3. From some prior posts in this thread, sounds like PTS ends shortly after GT3 is introduced.
Sounds like the engine issue essentially crushed PTS,
possibly due to length of time to manufacture the car?
No, they are not connected. Maybe you can rephrase
your theory so I can understand the logic behind that
statement & help understand what you are trying to say.
Originally Posted by SToronto
Curious on prospects for PTS on 991.2 GT3.
From some prior posts in this thread, sounds
like PTS ends shortly after GT3 is introduced.
PTS window opened last week for some Porsche MY2017 models.
We don't know if there will be a MY2017 .2 991 gt3. But if there
is & allocations are handed out AFTER the PTS window closes for
the limited capacity PAG has for doing PTS at Zuffenhausen that
model year, you are S** out of luck!
Or Porsche may decide NO PTS for the .2 991 gt3, just like what
they elected NOT to allow for the few MY2016 .1 991 gt3!
Or they may skip a model year, release a .2 991 gt3 in MY2018,
& do it in a timely manner so that their allocations to dealers &
customers allow their manufacturing slots to qualify for the limited
# of PTS capable of being done by PAG at Zuffenhausen. Then
you & other customers wanting PTS on their .2 991 gt3s will be
'in' luck...& not 'SOL'.
We really don't understand yet how many decisions are made
re: PTS at Porsche. That is why I want to go to 'the source' &
interview them to get better insight as to how THEY view PTS.
I don't really give a rats a** about the price increase. Just stop yanking our chains with availability.
Porsche knows you/we/me don't care about a modest price increase. They aren't confused. That's why they raised it. I wish they would charge even more if it meant always available and wider color selection...
No, they are not connected. Maybe you can rephrase your theory so I can understand the logic behind that statement & help understand what you are trying to say. PTS window opened last week for some Porsche MY2017 models. We don't know if there will be a MY2017 .2 991 gt3. But if there is & allocations are handed out AFTER the PTS window closes for the limited capacity PAG has for doing PTS at Zuffenhausen that model year, you are S** out of luck! Or Porsche may decide NO PTS for the .2 991 gt3, just like what they elected NOT to allow for the few MY2016 .1 991 gt3! Or they may skip a model year, release a .2 991 gt3 in MY2018, & do it in a timely manner so that their allocations to dealers & customers allow their manufacturing slots to qualify for the limited # of PTS capable of being done by PAG at Zuffenhausen. Then you & other customers wanting PTS on their .2 991 gt3s will be 'in' luck...& not 'SOL'. We really don't understand yet how many decisions are made re: PTS at Porsche. That is why I want to go to 'the source' & interview them to get better insight as to how THEY view PTS. Saludos, Eduardo Carmel .
What was trying to say was that perhaps they elected not to offer PTS once the engine fiasco started. In order to save that time in manufacturing a PTS car. Use that time for resolving the engine issue and to move through the model cycle.
I have a deposit down for an allocation slot and the paperwork states 2018. SA was sure that's what it'll be. However may not actually be the case.
The PTS program has suffered its share of QC issues in the past...
Originally Posted by SToronto
What was trying to say was that perhaps they elected not to offer PTS
once the engine fiasco started. In order to save that time in manufacturing
a PTS car. Use that time for resolving the engine issue and to move through
the model cycle.
PTS is a program for various Porsche model across their product lines.
So the 'Stop Sale' on the MY2014 .1 991 gt3 should not, and did not,
effect PTS for the regular 991 & 981 models. Porsche has experienced
'quality control' issues (see photo below) with PTS that has created the
delays, the moratoriums & the temporary cancellations of the program
from time to time. They are not related to the engine issues. My dos
centavos for what it's worth.
PTS is a program for various Porsche model across their product lines. So the 'Stop Sale' on the MY2014 .1 991 gt3 should not, and did not, effect PTS for the regular 991 & 981 models. Porsche has experienced 'quality control' issues (see photo below) with PTS that has created the delays, the moratoriums & the temporary cancellations of the program from time to time. They are not related to the engine issues. My dos centavos for what it's worth. Saludos, Eduardo Carmel
Testing colours in that pic? Is that voodoo on the wing?
No, that photo shows the downside of less than
perfect 'Just in Time' & 'Just in Sequence' logistics.
If you look closely, you see a variety of colors -
some PTS and some not.
'Voodoo Blue' or 'Maritime Blue' rear wing; 'Riviera Blue' rear bumper;
'Cognac' door handles; 'Lime Gold Metallic' rear view mirror casings;
And 'Aqua Blue Metallic' everything else!
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For my theory on the 'Quality Control' problems that the PTS program
has experienced in recent past, I suggest you read the following post
that I wrote back on 11/15/2014:
Porsche knows you/we/me don't care about a modest price increase. They aren't confused. That's why they raised it. I wish they would charge even more if it meant always available and wider color selection...
Jonathan- I am guessing one has nothing to do with the other. Out of curiosity, how much would you willing to pay for PTS before price became a disincentive? I suspect as we approach 10k, people start to fall away.
Jonathan- I am guessing one has nothing to do with the other. Out of curiosity, how much would you willing to pay for PTS before price became a disincentive? I suspect as we approach 10k, people start to fall away.
Personally for me, on a $200k ish car, I would pay $10k for a truly great PTS customer experience whereby there is less ambiguity, less drama, more color options, less delays, more exclusivity, etc. I bet a lot of people would. I might not pay it under the current circumstances though...
Personally for me, on a $200k ish car, I would pay $10k for a truly great PTS customer experience whereby there is less ambiguity, less drama, more color options, less delays, more exclusivity, etc. I bet a lot of people would. I might not pay it under the current circumstances though...
I'm all for having the option, that is what I like about the McLaren experience so much- it is whatever you want color wise
02-13-2016, 02:36 PM
On the 'Exclusivity' of certain colors at PAG...
