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Old 07-25-2016, 12:03 PM
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My July number is 49 right now and it looks like it will be similar to the last few months in the 60 to 80 range. Total number in my list is 1108 with around 115 or so missing vins, so around 1220 max cars for North America to date.

The biggest month I have was Sept 2015 with 161 cars. It is still my belief that they are building in the order of 8 to 10 cars per day total with 3 to 4 cars coming to NA. Some months more get pushed to NA some months less. With the R in production this may have changed because I'm not sure they are adding more to the daily number. I image the R has the same special step on the line to add the carbon fenders. The real question is what percentage of cars is going to NA?
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Originally Posted by Loess
My July number is 49 right now and it looks like it will be similar to the last few months in the 60 to 80 range. Total number in my list is 1108 with around 115 or so missing vins, so around 1220 max cars for North America to date. The biggest month I have was Sept 2015 with 161 cars. It is still my belief that they are building in the order of 8 to 10 cars per day total with 3 to 4 cars coming to NA. Some months more get pushed to NA some months less. With the R in production this may have changed because I'm not sure they are adding more to the daily number. I image the R has the same special step on the line to add the carbon fenders. The real question is what percentage of cars is going to NA?
Approx 300 911 R coming to states.
Old 07-25-2016, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
Approx 300 911 R coming to states.
I don't think they've started NA R production yet though. Any idea when the first NA cars are being built?
Old 07-25-2016, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Loess
I don't think they've started NA R production yet though. Any idea when the first NA cars are being built?
Yes they have. First NA R's are already done. RS's are dwindling and will be hitting the states at a much slower rate until production is over.
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Originally Posted by 991PTSRS
Yes they have. First NA R's are already done. RS's are dwindling and will be hitting the states at a much slower rate until production is over.
If anyone has seen an R vin let me know.
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I can also vouch for NA R production having started. I saw several R's in NA spec both on the line and a few ready for shipment outside the factory. No camera so no VIN, need better memory...
Old 07-25-2016, 06:13 PM
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Thanks Loess. That's very useful. With the extended production I think it's safe to assume we will see 1800-1900 x RS in NA by Jan/Feb. so very similar to 991 GT3 numbers delivered to North America (1952).

I believe around 40-45% of all RS produced are coming to NA. ROW countries in many cases are getting many more than is typical (HK & Taiwan over 100 already each and Australia and UK much higher than even GT3 numbers!) For the 991 GT3 this was higher at approx 55%.

My best guesstimate based in the data and trends so far is around 4000-4200 units of 991RS will be manufactured by year end. This is similar to the 3500 units of 991 GT3 that were built but obviously taking place over a shorter time. Add in 900 units for 911R and we have over 8000 GT cars for 991.1 generation...
Old 07-25-2016, 06:18 PM
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Similar to 997 GT numbers.
All we need now is the .2 GT3 and GT2RS to round it out fefore the 992 :-)
Old 07-25-2016, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Loess
My July number is 49 right now and it looks like it will be similar to the last few months in the 60 to 80 range. Total number in my list is 1108 with around 115 or so missing vins, so around 1220 max cars for North America to date.

The biggest month I have was Sept 2015 with 161 cars. It is still my belief that they are building in the order of 8 to 10 cars per day total with 3 to 4 cars coming to NA. Some months more get pushed to NA some months less. With the R in production this may have changed because I'm not sure they are adding more to the daily number. I image the R has the same special step on the line to add the carbon fenders. The real question is what percentage of cars is going to NA?
Loess: When you say North America are you referring to Canada also?

When did production begin?

So, at an average of 110 (taking a high of 160 and low of 60 per month) per month from September '15 (if this is when production began) to December '16 that puts us at 1650 991 RS's. produced. If that's the total then approximately 750 are coming to NA at 45% of total production.
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The first NA cars were May 2015 but only a few car and August was only 1, so 13 months of production. Numbers are for Canada and US.

With around 1200 cars to date and say 65 per month for Sept, Oct., Nov, Dec. I'm thinking more like 1500 and that's if the RS production doesn't slow down with the R production which I think it will. I think they are planning to build 991 R's in 7 months or so.
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Originally Posted by Waxer
Loess: When you say North America are you referring to Canada also?

When did production begin?

So, at an average of 110 (taking a high of 160 and low of 60 per month) per month from September '15 (if this is when production began) to December '16 that puts us at 1650 991 RS's. produced. If that's the total then approximately 750 are coming to NA at 45% of total production.
These are NA numbers only. I think we will find June/July/August deliveries will be above average with September (August factory holidays) low. PTS cars seem to be flowing fast at the moment which indicates they were batched. Consensus suggest somewhere between 1500-1900 units total for NA. I suspect the high side because PAG have a habit of exceeding our expectations lately.

Following other boards it would seem that the UK is around 240 units, Taiwan over 100 already and HK similar with Australia around 140 and NZ 24. Thats 500 ROW units in RHD plus Singapore, Brunei, India, South Africa so I think by year end we will see around 800 x RHD units which is under 20% production, about right. Now add China, Europe, Middle East, Israel (I think UAE will be over 100 units already) and all the other countries and you are no doubt looking at a further 1500 units. Europe alone is rumored at 1100 with a third of those to Germany. France, Italy, Switzerland, Austria & Monaco will likely be 500+ units combined.

Alot of this is pure speculation on my part using comments on the board from local market folks that have reported back for their region based on what they have been told or can see via registrations and the rest is finger in the air. Im faily confident with the RHD production as i follow this closely and the NA deliveries are documented so that really leaved the question mark over ROW LHD markets, Europe, Middle East etc
Old 07-25-2016, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TRAKCAR
Similar to 997 GT numbers.
All we need now is the .2 GT3 and GT2RS to round it out fefore the 992 :-)
991GT well surpassed 997GT numbers

997 Approximate Production Numbers:
997.1GT3 917 USA, 46 Canada, 1415 ROW
997.1GT3RS 410 USA, 42 Canada, 1457 ROW

997.2GT3 657 USA, 58 Canada, 1541 ROW
997.2GT3RS 541 USA, 71 Canada, 988 ROW
997.2RS4.0 141 USA, 16 Canada, 443 ROW


http://www.total911.com/the-ten-rare...s-of-all-time/
Take it with a grain of salt
Old 07-25-2016, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by FLT6SPD
991GT well surpassed 997GT numbers 997 Approximate Production Numbers: 997.1GT3 917 USA, 46 Canada, 1415 ROW 997.1GT3RS 410 USA, 42 Canada, 1457 ROW 997.2GT3 657 USA, 58 Canada, 1541 ROW 997.2GT3RS 541 USA, 71 Canada, 988 ROW 997.2RS4.0 141 USA, 16 Canada, 443 ROW http://www.total911.com/the-ten-rare...s-of-all-time/ Take it with a grain of salt
You really see those numbers for USA fall back for the 2009 997.2 GT3 post GMC. Typically the USA was around 40% of production. But the last 3 years Europe has struggled and gradually the USD has got stronger as the US economy has stabilised as Japan & Europe as well as EM and commodity countries have faltered. In fact for the foreseeable future I believe USA will dominate 45% or more of GT production. This is certainly true of the latest GT3/4/RS in any case...
Old 07-26-2016, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FLT6SPD
991GT well surpassed 997GT numbers

997 Approximate Production Numbers:
997.1GT3 917 USA, 46 Canada, 1415 ROW
997.1GT3RS 410 USA, 42 Canada, 1457 ROW

997.2GT3 657 USA, 58 Canada, 1541 ROW
997.2GT3RS 541 USA, 71 Canada, 988 ROW
997.2RS4.0 141 USA, 16 Canada, 443 ROW


http://www.total911.com/the-ten-rare...s-of-all-time/
Take it with a grain of salt
MJones posted the same numbers for 997.2 for USA/NA. Not sure about ROW number. Believe the numbers were smaller in part due to how labor intensive the engine build.


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