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10-20-2015, 06:04 PM
#33
To be frank, I buy cars only to drive the hell out off them and not keep as museum pieces which most of those models have been. Superior market value only because numbers limited artificially. As far as investment goes, I have a pain in the *** business in which I could get a better return.
10-20-2015, 06:19 PM
#34
I just didn't connect with my 991 3 - I would even take a lightened 964 C2 over it. I'm OK not winning the DE events if I'm having a ton of fun...
10-20-2015, 06:52 PM
#35
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If the 991 is out of warranty, then I would take a 997.1 GT3 RS, because it's easier to fix and I can rebuild the transmission and engine. 991 GT3 longevity is a big unknown and I have a feeling they are not going to be extremely reliable in the long run. 997.2 RS blow up too. 996 is the best GT3 ever produced in terms of reliability, but that car is dated and interior ergonomics for me aren't the best.
BUT. Given that circumstance, I would take a new 991.2 or 992(?) over all of them.
BUT. Given that circumstance, I would take a new 991.2 or 992(?) over all of them.
10-20-2015, 07:26 PM
#36
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From a driving perspective, I haven't spent a lot of time in a 991 but I can tell you that the 997RS is much less refined. It's a rough, stiff ride. It's noisy in a great way- the clank of the LWFW, minimal sound deadening and the exhaust note is great. You feel like you're driving a race car on the street. My .02.
10-20-2015, 07:38 PM
#37
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THIS! the 997 RS is a raw noisy and abrupt car, all in a good way. I have to think the 991 3 is more refined (i have not driven a 991 3, but am using the parallel of a 997 gts v 991 gts). If you're planning on driving the car semi regularly on the road, stick with the 991 3, if your looking for a racy feeling track car, or are just looking... then maybe the 7 RS
10-20-2015, 10:54 PM
#40
THIS! the 997 RS is a raw noisy and abrupt car, all in a good way. I have to think the 991 3 is more refined (i have not driven a 991 3, but am using the parallel of a 997 gts v 991 gts). If you're planning on driving the car semi regularly on the road, stick with the 991 3, if your looking for a racy feeling track car, or are just looking... then maybe the 7 RS
10-21-2015, 04:29 AM
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Scarcity, value and aesthetics are totally unrelated to the visceral cues or usefulness that each driver has different tolerances for.
In regards to the new 991GT3/ RS it is a much more approachable car on road and track. I've driven and/or been on track in every gt3 in the last 10 years.
They are all different. What is the "best one" out of them all? Eye of the beholder. I will say that while I was impressed by the new RS and impressed on track by new GT3, the pdk-s is not impressive enough for me to spend equal money on the newer car. I recently sold my 3.8RS to acquire a 4.0RS. I could have easily pocketed a lot of money and bought the new GT3 but I decided against it. Partially because I think the six speed is a known quantity and for me the manual transmission will continue to age gracefully. Try driving an 430 f1 trans and it feels like crap compared to the new one. The 458 will feel like a lame car ten years from now for the same reason.
With porsches- especially the RS cars- the RS America feels just as fun and the 996/997 GT3 feels exactly the same as it did when new. Might be slower but your shift references are the same...
These are not race cars- hell a 997GT3 cup can be had for 50% of the original price all day. That is a real race car and if this is just about going fast on track...go get one.
The street GT3 and RS are about more than just speed to me. It's an aesthetic, an emotionally motivated decision, a smell (like the aircooled cars) and the hipsterism of knowing your little six speed car is a safe investment.
If I had unlimited funds I would buy every last manual trans GT3 I could scoop and drive a different one every day. They all need exercise but to me the new car is so damn easy it's a little too unemotional. I want that raw stupid bolt action shifter. My smile is bigger that way.
In regards to the new 991GT3/ RS it is a much more approachable car on road and track. I've driven and/or been on track in every gt3 in the last 10 years.
They are all different. What is the "best one" out of them all? Eye of the beholder. I will say that while I was impressed by the new RS and impressed on track by new GT3, the pdk-s is not impressive enough for me to spend equal money on the newer car. I recently sold my 3.8RS to acquire a 4.0RS. I could have easily pocketed a lot of money and bought the new GT3 but I decided against it. Partially because I think the six speed is a known quantity and for me the manual transmission will continue to age gracefully. Try driving an 430 f1 trans and it feels like crap compared to the new one. The 458 will feel like a lame car ten years from now for the same reason.
With porsches- especially the RS cars- the RS America feels just as fun and the 996/997 GT3 feels exactly the same as it did when new. Might be slower but your shift references are the same...
These are not race cars- hell a 997GT3 cup can be had for 50% of the original price all day. That is a real race car and if this is just about going fast on track...go get one.
The street GT3 and RS are about more than just speed to me. It's an aesthetic, an emotionally motivated decision, a smell (like the aircooled cars) and the hipsterism of knowing your little six speed car is a safe investment.
If I had unlimited funds I would buy every last manual trans GT3 I could scoop and drive a different one every day. They all need exercise but to me the new car is so damn easy it's a little too unemotional. I want that raw stupid bolt action shifter. My smile is bigger that way.
10-21-2015, 09:59 AM
#43
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The 991 GT3 is a great car but it's a bit numb compared to the 997 GT3RS...not as engaging and emotion inspiring either. I could totally daily drive the GT3 if I worked closer to home, no way would I do that with the RS. Every time I drive my RS I get this warm toasty feeling deep down inside and feel like a kid in a candy store. I'm very fortunate that I have both cars but I'd keep the RS if I had to pick between the two.
The street GT3 and RS are about more than just speed to me. It's an aesthetic, an emotionally motivated decision, a smell (like the aircooled cars) and the hipsterism of knowing your little six speed car is a safe investment.
They all need exercise but to me the new car is so damn easy it's a little too unemotional. I want that raw stupid bolt action shifter. My smile is bigger that way.
They all need exercise but to me the new car is so damn easy it's a little too unemotional. I want that raw stupid bolt action shifter. My smile is bigger that way.
10-21-2015, 10:17 AM
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Scarcity, value and aesthetics are totally unrelated to the visceral cues or usefulness that each driver has different tolerances for.
In regards to the new 991GT3/ RS it is a much more approachable car on road and track. I've driven and/or been on track in every gt3 in the last 10 years.
They are all different. What is the "best one" out of them all? Eye of the beholder. I will say that while I was impressed by the new RS and impressed on track by new GT3, the pdk-s is not impressive enough for me to spend equal money on the newer car. I recently sold my 3.8RS to acquire a 4.0RS. I could have easily pocketed a lot of money and bought the new GT3 but I decided against it. Partially because I think the six speed is a known quantity and for me the manual transmission will continue to age gracefully. Try driving an 430 f1 trans and it feels like crap compared to the new one. The 458 will feel like a lame car ten years from now for the same reason.
With porsches- especially the RS cars- the RS America feels just as fun and the 996/997 GT3 feels exactly the same as it did when new. Might be slower but your shift references are the same...
These are not race cars- hell a 997GT3 cup can be had for 50% of the original price all day. That is a real race car and if this is just about going fast on track...go get one.
The street GT3 and RS are about more than just speed to me. It's an aesthetic, an emotionally motivated decision, a smell (like the aircooled cars) and the hipsterism of knowing your little six speed car is a safe investment.
If I had unlimited funds I would buy every last manual trans GT3 I could scoop and drive a different one every day. They all need exercise but to me the new car is so damn easy it's a little too unemotional. I want that raw stupid bolt action shifter. My smile is bigger that way.
In regards to the new 991GT3/ RS it is a much more approachable car on road and track. I've driven and/or been on track in every gt3 in the last 10 years.
They are all different. What is the "best one" out of them all? Eye of the beholder. I will say that while I was impressed by the new RS and impressed on track by new GT3, the pdk-s is not impressive enough for me to spend equal money on the newer car. I recently sold my 3.8RS to acquire a 4.0RS. I could have easily pocketed a lot of money and bought the new GT3 but I decided against it. Partially because I think the six speed is a known quantity and for me the manual transmission will continue to age gracefully. Try driving an 430 f1 trans and it feels like crap compared to the new one. The 458 will feel like a lame car ten years from now for the same reason.
With porsches- especially the RS cars- the RS America feels just as fun and the 996/997 GT3 feels exactly the same as it did when new. Might be slower but your shift references are the same...
These are not race cars- hell a 997GT3 cup can be had for 50% of the original price all day. That is a real race car and if this is just about going fast on track...go get one.
The street GT3 and RS are about more than just speed to me. It's an aesthetic, an emotionally motivated decision, a smell (like the aircooled cars) and the hipsterism of knowing your little six speed car is a safe investment.
If I had unlimited funds I would buy every last manual trans GT3 I could scoop and drive a different one every day. They all need exercise but to me the new car is so damn easy it's a little too unemotional. I want that raw stupid bolt action shifter. My smile is bigger that way.
10-22-2015, 09:56 AM
#45
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Got both, keeping both. I just registered my RS for the street, off since 2009. I doubt I will street drive it a whole lot because of its alignment, but it will see a wee bit of road use in the off season before the snow comes. It for sure will lag behind a GT3 on a track but it easily bit*h slaps them at autocross. A bit over 8000 miles on it since new. Real reason I got the GT3 was I missed having a Porsche for the road, same reason for the GT4. GT3 and GT4 will NOT get competition alignment but for sure, cannot have them purely as garage queens. I prefer a stick for the road and so does the wife.