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Old 10-15-2015, 10:25 PM
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http://www.worldcarfans.com/11510129...-has-downforce

http://yoursinglesourcefornews.com/p...-awaited/3609/

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Known issue in these parts.
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Originally Posted by ipse dixit
Known issue in these parts.
I've read ... First time I've seen an article about it.
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Just regurgitating what they're reading on the forums.

Some rubbing was accepted to fit more tire. Contrary to what some of these articles are saying, those with serious rubbing issues to date have all changed alignment, specifically adding more negative camber. Any camber change by default changes caster. If caster is not returned to specs tires will rub. 997.2 RS was sensitive to this as well so you can imagine how easy it is to exacerbate the issue on the 991 RS with it's limited clearance.
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^^^^ Thanks for the informative post
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Originally Posted by Nizer
Just regurgitating what they're reading on the forums.

Some rubbing was accepted to fit more tire. Contrary to what some of these articles are saying, those with serious rubbing issues to date have all changed alignment, specifically adding more negative camber. Any camber change by default changes caster. If caster is not returned to specs tires will rub. 997.2 RS was sensitive to this as well so you can imagine how easy it is to exacerbate the issue on the 991 RS with it's limited clearance.
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^^^^ Thanks for the informative post
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That was super helpful. Thank you.
Old 10-16-2015, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Nizer
If caster is not returned to specs tires will rub. 997.2 RS was sensitive to this as well so you can imagine how easy it is to exacerbate the issue on the 991 RS with it's limited clearance.

Do think it is possible to add more negative camber and adjusting the caster to a proper value?
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I'd be very surprised if you couldn't. Same architecture as Cup and we run a lot more camber, albeit with much stiffer springs/shocks.
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Caster changes will need radius arms and/or caster pucks. Nizer is spot on
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Yup. You want either the pucks or the adj thrust arm. No need for both.

My preference is for the thrust arm but for some reason the 991 version costs more than double the 997 version, even though they look essentially the same. Perhaps the BBi guys can tell us why. Or you could just wait until Tarrett release their's and hope it's less.

Puck: http://www.tarett.com/items/996-997-...a01-detail.htm

991 Thrust Arm: http://www.kamotorsport.net/product/...t-thrust-arms/

997 Thrust Arm: http://www.kamotorsport.net/product/...le-thrust-arm/
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Thanks Nizer!
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Info from LP997 (991 GT3 RS owner) on Rennteam that his Porsche dealer has received note from Porsche about existing "chassis problems on front + rear axle". Porsche working on a corrective action....

Recall soon?
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Originally Posted by GoHardGT3RS
Info from LP997 (991 GT3 RS owner) on Rennteam that his Porsche dealer has received note from Porsche about existing "chassis problems on front + rear axle". Porsche working on a corrective action....

Recall soon?


Nope. I bet the only thing they will do is lift the car by adjusting the coilers.
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Originally Posted by MileHigh911
Nope. I bet the only thing they will do is lift the car by adjusting the coilers.
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