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Old 10-13-2015, 02:13 AM
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I bet on a 200k+ MSRP with 4.0L Engine, PCCB standard, Lightweight Battery, LWB 918 style, no RWS, and as less electronic as possible. Limited production and numbered.


GT3 3.8L will remain the 911 unicorn with 9K RPM.

I suspect they will push the carbon parts everywhere to achieve a low end weight.
No more magnesium roof.
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Old 10-13-2015, 02:57 AM
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^Interesting comparison to the 997 RS 4.0 for inspiration for 911R. I don't entirely agree with that though. Imo, a 911R seems less like a 997 4.0 successor. In name alone, it's not GT badged; a 911R seems more of a special release, just like the "Sport classic" or "Edition 918" monikers.

Unlike the 4.0, it wouldn't be the final car (or RS) of its generation; the sport classic came in 2010, the 4.0 in 2011. If the 911R comes as soon as 2016 or 2017, it would precede any upcoming 991.2 RS, let alone any final edition RS. So, the timeline fits better this way.

Without pdk it would be hard for PAG to be consistent and still position it as the ultimate performance NA car. Recall the Sport classic also came with MT only. Plus, I don't believe there has been enough time for the factory to develop a monster engine that would follow in the footsteps of the 997 4.0. And they'd need to be able to save a little for the next RS, so no point making this one too powerful.

Instead, I think they'll throw in a bunch of cool, probably lightweight, materials and add a few exclusive details to respect the 1967 911R (maybe perforated dash panels / levers?; maybe distinctive steering wheel details and uniquely finished buckets?).

Recall that the sport classic came in at €169,300 while the 4.0 was around $180,000. So the 991R could come with a VERY steep price tag (my guess: most expensive 911 ever) and still leave something on the table for a very limited final edition RS which of course would cost a bundle.

Then I'd expect we could still see a 991.2 GT3, 991.2 RS, and possibly even a final edition 991 RS "4.0-successor," with this 911R not upsetting that sequence.
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Old 10-13-2015, 05:19 AM
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I have put down my name for this one with the owner of my local PC.
They do not have any official detail yet and they can not take deposits for cars not officially (at least internally) announced by Porsche AG, here in Switzerland.


Presently I am fifth in line, so not much of a chance to get it ... unless it will be as I try to imagine, below.


My local PC got a confirmed allocation of 15 (fifteen) 991 GT3 RS and they had a waiting list with 30 deposits at the time the model was confirmed officially: so this is a PC with some credibility with Porsche AG and may get a good allocation if the model will eventually come out.


I hope it will be positioned in a similar way to the Sport Classic 997:


- NA engine, maybe the GT3 3.8 re-tuned for torque (and sound) at about 450-460 hp
- MT only
- classic look with limited aero
- interior with classic details maybe back seats deleted
- weight "reduction" due to limited stock kit (but you can get it back at no cost and go back to the normal weight of a 991 .1
- no rear axel steering


Such a car would have a performance envelope distinctively lower than the GT 3 and not step into the track-oriented territory.
It would probably sit just above a future non limited 991.2 GTS, or even inferior in track time performance.



Price would probably be higher than GT 3 but lower than GT 3 RS.


As far as the limited production, maybe they will run a number higher than the 918 number as to give an actual chance to non-918 owners.
If the number has to have a meaning and an historical connection, I would hope for 1967 cars ... as to celebrate the year of the introduction of the original 911 R.


Such a car would have a distinctive appeal for me, as I currently own only historic turbo 911s (1977-1998) and I do not see a model I crave in the current product lineup.


I tested the 991 turbo a while back, but it feels more rocket-ship than car to me ... maybe I am just getting old.
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Old 10-13-2015, 06:25 AM
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The original 911 R was born in 1966...2016 is the 50th anniversary of the R

coincidence? i think not...
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Old 10-13-2015, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Metzeger View Post
The original 911 R was born in 1966...2016 is the 50th anniversary of the R

coincidence? i think not...
Both for intro (1966) and M.Y. (1967) Porsche considers 1967 the actual 50 year mark for 911R since that was model year but you are correct this is no coincidence of 50 years.....1967 911R- 2017 911R.
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:03 AM
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What would you guys choose? 991RS or 911R?
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:27 AM
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many times dealers demonstrated to know nothing about a new model even the day before the launch

now they are lavish of details, I've got the impression that dealers are getting info's from forums and diffuse these amongst clients as "official" rumours from the factory...hence it's always the same story around, a "raw" version of GT3 with manual gearbox etc etc, am I the only one thinking this?

I think such a car makes not much sense for users and it would be too money and time absorbing to develope for Porsche actually, new transmission, new tuning of engine, new tuning of chassis etc etc at what purpose...being a (much) less efficient car to drive? Not to mention eventual further reliability issues for this engine when used with manual gearbox (in case of mis-shifts), handling issues with less aero etc etc...

Imho one of the two:

a "commercial" product, a sort of "Singer" 991 made in house based on 991 GTS

a super RS (which I hope) with some more hp and 50-60 kilos less...with a RSR badge

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Old 10-13-2015, 10:34 AM
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No RWS
No PDK-S
No wider body for stability

why should i pay more than a GT3?

It s a GTS with a GT3 engine what the hell
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:48 AM
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This will not be a track weapon but more of a street "purist" type of car. Should not be more than a GT3. Looks like a GTS-plus
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Old 10-13-2015, 10:55 AM
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I have heard and take deposit from my dealer he say me:

Limited 500 cars
Basis GT3 body
4.0 rs motor ( 500-525hp)
Manual
No RWS etc...
no aero like the RS
New front bumper
lightweight body (carbon etc...)
interior with carbon door panel etc... (very purist)
No rear seats
No roll cage (option?)
weight saving 100 - 130 kg
New exhaust system???

He said more information coming soon
He say me an hardcore interior and a puristic car and he say me not a GTS with a smile
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by fxz View Post
No RWS
No PDK-S
No wider body for stability

why should i pay more than a GT3?

It s a GTS with a GT3 engine what the hell
Sounds like it has big potential for a great street car that will be lots of fun for those that don't care about lap times.
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimmy-D View Post
This will not be a track weapon but more of a street "purist" type of car. Should not be more than a GT3. Looks like a GTS-plus
I suspect something similar. Basically a 991S with powerkit not the gt3 engine, manual, gt interior and stripped interior (audio, a/c, lwb) with option to add it all back in your build.
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Metzeger View Post
I have heard and take deposit from my dealer he say me:

Limited 500 cars
Basis GT3 body
4.0 rs motor ( 500-525hp)
Manual
No RWS etc...
no aero like the RS
New front bumper
lightweight body (carbon etc...)
interior with carbon door panel etc... (very purist)
No rear seats
No roll cage (option?)
weight saving 100 - 130 kg
New exhaust system???

He said more information coming soon
He say me an hardcore interior and a puristic car and he say me not a GTS with a smile
carbon door panel?!? WOW! Now we're talking!!! :thumb up:
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Metzeger View Post
I have heard and take deposit from my dealer he say me:

Limited 500 cars
Basis GT3 body
4.0 rs motor ( 500-525hp)
Manual
No RWS etc...
no aero like the RS
New front bumper
lightweight body (carbon etc...)
interior with carbon door panel etc... (very purist)
No rear seats
No roll cage (option?)
weight saving 100 - 130 kg
New exhaust system???

He said more information coming soon
He say me an hardcore interior and a puristic car and he say me not a GTS with a smile
Have heard the same here - but no news on the final number of cars other than it will be limited.
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Old 10-13-2015, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by jumper5836 View Post
Basically a 991S with powerkit not the gt3 engine
Nope....they will be using a GT power unit. When released this car will be competing with the new turbo engines on paper so they will take upstream a bit from a power kit 3.8l.
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