Journey through a few dealers - insights on 16 GT3 & RS
09-25-2015, 11:18 AM
#16
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09-25-2015, 11:40 AM
#17
I'm guessing the premium was considerable? I had a '16 GT3 specced with LO on order. My dealer and I tried to find a way to trade it for an RS but neither of us could get anyone to sniff. I ended up passing the allocation to the next guy in line as I had really wanted PTS. If the premium wasn't too bad, I'd think that would be a tough trade to pass on. Of course, in the end, the numbers either make the deal attractive or they don't.
09-25-2015, 12:07 PM
#18
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Had some interesting twists of fate over the last week, that took me through a windy journey of learnings, thought I would share them here. I will not talk about particulars, who, what, which dealers, etc.
A special thanks to Eduardo and Mooty for their advice along the way.
1) 16 GT3 allocations are very sparse. There are buyers that don't want an RS, but they do want a new GT3. So if you have a 16 GT3 allocation, what I have learned is that dealers are actually looking for them. I had multiple offers for my 16 GT3 allocation, both just $ premium, but also as a trading "card" for RS allocations. Some dealers have RS allocations, but not ! GT3The dealer shenanigans here are widespread and in some cases very creative and entertaining.
2) The 918 VIP program has created even more shenanigans, as many of those customers either never intended to take delivery of their RS, or changed their mind. A disproportionate number of those cars were done in PTS. Thus some of the recent threads on this site about PTS RS cars at various dealers for premium mark ups. They are starting to show up. There are very specific rules about these cars, some dealers are following them, some are not. I.E. how they can be titled, 6 month embargo before selling, etc.
3) There WILL be another small batch of RS allocations, but production for the RS will stop in June.
4) There will be no more PTS availability for 991.1 RS. Its done. Already bottlenecked. More demand than expected/planned. Maybe not news here, but confirmed.
These points aren't from one single cleaning lady conversation at PCNA. There are the key takeaways that were universal across a few different dealers and sources. I almost traded my 16 GT3 for a PTS RS allocation plus a premium, but it didn't work out. During the process, spoke with several dealers and gathered this intel. Hope it helps someone along the way.
A special thanks to Eduardo and Mooty for their advice along the way.
1) 16 GT3 allocations are very sparse. There are buyers that don't want an RS, but they do want a new GT3. So if you have a 16 GT3 allocation, what I have learned is that dealers are actually looking for them. I had multiple offers for my 16 GT3 allocation, both just $ premium, but also as a trading "card" for RS allocations. Some dealers have RS allocations, but not ! GT3The dealer shenanigans here are widespread and in some cases very creative and entertaining.
2) The 918 VIP program has created even more shenanigans, as many of those customers either never intended to take delivery of their RS, or changed their mind. A disproportionate number of those cars were done in PTS. Thus some of the recent threads on this site about PTS RS cars at various dealers for premium mark ups. They are starting to show up. There are very specific rules about these cars, some dealers are following them, some are not. I.E. how they can be titled, 6 month embargo before selling, etc.
3) There WILL be another small batch of RS allocations, but production for the RS will stop in June.
4) There will be no more PTS availability for 991.1 RS. Its done. Already bottlenecked. More demand than expected/planned. Maybe not news here, but confirmed.
These points aren't from one single cleaning lady conversation at PCNA. There are the key takeaways that were universal across a few different dealers and sources. I almost traded my 16 GT3 for a PTS RS allocation plus a premium, but it didn't work out. During the process, spoke with several dealers and gathered this intel. Hope it helps someone along the way.
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...l#post12607792
09-25-2015, 01:12 PM
#19
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ipse dixit, fair point looking back now, honestly i could not imagine paying over MSRP for a standard GT3, or even really an RS, maybe PTS RS, which has been my dilemna
09-25-2015, 04:58 PM
#20
I had my hair cut today. Admittedly not news in itself but during the process I read one of the German magazines (Auto motor und sport I think) which contained a thorough test of a UV RS. In that article it mentioned a production limit of 2,400 which is not something I've seen mentioned before?
09-25-2015, 05:20 PM
#21
I think we all know that supply is kept artificially low by the powers to be. World economy, especially China, looks a bit shaky right now. I can wait to have an RS for less.
09-25-2015, 05:24 PM
#22
09-25-2015, 05:42 PM
#23
Focusing on finding a nice 3-car garage single story home first.
09-25-2015, 10:00 PM
#24
Speaking to people here at Rennsport it would appear that they are headed away from turbos in GT3 and will go to hybrid. No I don't have any big scoop. But posing the direct question to the big wigs "will my next GT3 be a turbo or electric?", all of them said KERS.
09-26-2015, 12:16 AM
#25
I am next in line with a dealership. I am not ready to buy an RS right now so I am hoping I would be part of the december allocation. If they call me now, I would probably pass.
09-26-2015, 09:27 AM
#26
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Speaking to people here at Rennsport it would appear that they are headed away from turbos in GT3 and will go to hybrid. No I don't have any big scoop. But posing the direct question to the big wigs "will my next GT3 be a turbo or electric?", all of them said KERS.
09-26-2015, 09:52 AM
#27
"Speaking to people here at Rennsport it would appear that they are headed away from turbos in GT3 and will go to hybrid. No I don't have any big scoop. But posing the direct question to the big wigs "will my next GT3 be a turbo or electric?", all of them said KERS."
I'm focusing on the word "next" and its interpretation. Specifically, I'm wondering if they meant next iteration of the 991 GT3 or the next platform GT3.
I'm focusing on the word "next" and its interpretation. Specifically, I'm wondering if they meant next iteration of the 991 GT3 or the next platform GT3.
09-26-2015, 10:11 AM
#28
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Agree. Near term questions I have -
1) Will there be additional 991.1 RS allocations? I am convinced "yes", although don't know how many or exact timing. I suspect over the next 30 days.
2) Will there be a 991.2 gt3/RS model with minor updates as in previous years? What will be the timing for that?
3) Will there be a GT2/RS? What will be the timing for that?
4) When would we expect 992 GT3/RS/GT2/RS platform approximately and is THAT what we can expect to be KERS?
1) Will there be additional 991.1 RS allocations? I am convinced "yes", although don't know how many or exact timing. I suspect over the next 30 days.
2) Will there be a 991.2 gt3/RS model with minor updates as in previous years? What will be the timing for that?
3) Will there be a GT2/RS? What will be the timing for that?
4) When would we expect 992 GT3/RS/GT2/RS platform approximately and is THAT what we can expect to be KERS?