WTF is the angst over turbos?
09-10-2015, 02:40 PM
#61
Pro
Please take your pseudo science and political rant somewhere else, this is not the appropriate forum.
The real culprit for sound etc. is all the emissions bull**** our governments feed us because of the evil of "CO2"...a gas that we secrete as part of respiration. A gas that has fueled the bank accounts of many, many scientists who made a "consensus".
Ask a nobel prize winning physicist who has some dignity left in him and he will tell you the math doesn't support the "science." Plus the fundamental flaw that science was never decided on "consensus." All these scientists championing climate change based on CO2 emissions by humans are doing nothing but sacrifice their integrity to make a buck.
Anyways, after that rant I have to say; elect a republican and maybe we can reverse some of this politically correct ****. Keep going down this path, and the same politician that championed the clean air act (good for smog, CO2 was included for no reason) will attempt to take your right to gasoline/ICE cars one day. She has admitted it's her end state to make all ICE vehicles ILLEGAL to drive.
I know we can be skeptical all we want but at some point you have to laugh in her face and enact some legislation to counter her.
Ask a nobel prize winning physicist who has some dignity left in him and he will tell you the math doesn't support the "science." Plus the fundamental flaw that science was never decided on "consensus." All these scientists championing climate change based on CO2 emissions by humans are doing nothing but sacrifice their integrity to make a buck.
Anyways, after that rant I have to say; elect a republican and maybe we can reverse some of this politically correct ****. Keep going down this path, and the same politician that championed the clean air act (good for smog, CO2 was included for no reason) will attempt to take your right to gasoline/ICE cars one day. She has admitted it's her end state to make all ICE vehicles ILLEGAL to drive.
I know we can be skeptical all we want but at some point you have to laugh in her face and enact some legislation to counter her.
09-10-2015, 03:40 PM
#62
Nordschleife Master
Röhrl won the world rally championship in the days of Group B, back when you hit the throttle two seconds before you needed power. As Porsche's head test driver he's had final sign off on every modern Porsche, and personally tuned the fastest ones. He's been voted "best driver of all time" more than once. He took the GT2 RS around the 'ring in 7:18.
But I'm sure you're right, he just needs to learn to drive a turbo properly.
But I'm sure you're right, he just needs to learn to drive a turbo properly.
Indeed! Amazing what is posted on the Net.
09-10-2015, 03:47 PM
#63
Nordschleife Master
09-10-2015, 04:51 PM
#64
Rennlist Member
I bet we all agree at some level, and I'll bet no one on Earth knows all the rules & regulations coming up in fine detail.
What I do want to know is if there are fellow car enthusiasts within these car manufacturers and even governments who will fight to allow for exceptions to the rules? In the form of limited production runs, or fees / taxes placed on 'special' models within a manufacturer's lineup. We already have gas-guzzler taxes...
What will the future hold for NA Lambos, R8's, Mustangs, Vipers, GT3s, etc., if there can be room for exceptions to the rules, in small quantities of course. Does the possibility even exist that we could see a Viper ACR in 2030 with a large displacement NA V10?
It seems nobody truly knows at this point.
What I do want to know is if there are fellow car enthusiasts within these car manufacturers and even governments who will fight to allow for exceptions to the rules? In the form of limited production runs, or fees / taxes placed on 'special' models within a manufacturer's lineup. We already have gas-guzzler taxes...
What will the future hold for NA Lambos, R8's, Mustangs, Vipers, GT3s, etc., if there can be room for exceptions to the rules, in small quantities of course. Does the possibility even exist that we could see a Viper ACR in 2030 with a large displacement NA V10?
It seems nobody truly knows at this point.
09-10-2015, 05:30 PM
#65
Nordschleife Master
I bet we all agree at some level, and I'll bet no one on Earth knows all the rules & regulations coming up in fine detail.
What I do want to know is if there are fellow car enthusiasts within these car manufacturers and even governments who will fight to allow for exceptions to the rules? In the form of limited production runs, or fees / taxes placed on 'special' models within a manufacturer's lineup. We already have gas-guzzler taxes...
What will the future hold for NA Lambos, R8's, Mustangs, Vipers, GT3s, etc., if there can be room for exceptions to the rules, in small quantities of course. Does the possibility even exist that we could see a Viper ACR in 2030 with a large displacement NA V10?
It seems nobody truly knows at this point.
What I do want to know is if there are fellow car enthusiasts within these car manufacturers and even governments who will fight to allow for exceptions to the rules? In the form of limited production runs, or fees / taxes placed on 'special' models within a manufacturer's lineup. We already have gas-guzzler taxes...
What will the future hold for NA Lambos, R8's, Mustangs, Vipers, GT3s, etc., if there can be room for exceptions to the rules, in small quantities of course. Does the possibility even exist that we could see a Viper ACR in 2030 with a large displacement NA V10?
It seems nobody truly knows at this point.
09-10-2015, 06:15 PM
#66
Drifting
Even if there ARE exemptions for limited production cars, what about public sentiment?
If nearly every car on the road in 15 years is a hybrid or full electric, will you really feel comfortable roaring around in a car that doesn't conform?
If nearly every car on the road in 15 years is a hybrid or full electric, will you really feel comfortable roaring around in a car that doesn't conform?
09-10-2015, 06:27 PM
#67
Nordschleife Master
Those who have self-confidence will.
09-11-2015, 03:11 AM
#68
Honestly, ban me if this isn't relevant. If you are an enthusiast and want variety between na and turbo Porsche cars, vote with your money and your vote for executive branch and congress.
The science and politics of this matter are linked, there is no avoiding it. This debate about "why all turbo" only exists because of politics. It is that simple. I don't understand how just that fact doesn't make you all want to give the middle finger to the controlling ******** in the countries that enforce this.
I, for one, will vote for a party that won't let harmless co2 emissions decide what I can drive. And I'd like to note that the next legislation coming is for an all electric fleet by 2050 or so. It aims to outlaw all ICE engines on the road. It is a spinoff of the champions of the clean air act. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...rd-automakers/ Check out the article if your interested, she's all over the place and has successfully passed legislation in the 1970s that lead to co2 being classified as a poisonous gas (lol).
So that is the root of why people are worked up, and the answer to the thread. Let the consumer decide what is desired; not politicians. Or you may lose the right to drive your gasoline powered classics one day. It's a slippery slope.
The science and politics of this matter are linked, there is no avoiding it. This debate about "why all turbo" only exists because of politics. It is that simple. I don't understand how just that fact doesn't make you all want to give the middle finger to the controlling ******** in the countries that enforce this.
I, for one, will vote for a party that won't let harmless co2 emissions decide what I can drive. And I'd like to note that the next legislation coming is for an all electric fleet by 2050 or so. It aims to outlaw all ICE engines on the road. It is a spinoff of the champions of the clean air act. http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...rd-automakers/ Check out the article if your interested, she's all over the place and has successfully passed legislation in the 1970s that lead to co2 being classified as a poisonous gas (lol).
So that is the root of why people are worked up, and the answer to the thread. Let the consumer decide what is desired; not politicians. Or you may lose the right to drive your gasoline powered classics one day. It's a slippery slope.
Last edited by Alexandrius; 09-11-2015 at 10:22 AM.
09-11-2015, 03:19 AM
#69
Nordschleife Master
That plan has under tones and I do not want to say more but... those who honestly think e-vehicles will serve our economy are smoking something.
09-12-2015, 07:23 AM
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By 2050 most of us will drive only to the local shop
sport cars R&D has been always driven by
mass production cars asking for evolution
if mass production cars switch to
a cleaner engine
then mass populated city
will be a better place to live
if CO2 would not be enough think also that for EU the euro bleeding for buying petrol from well known places will stop...
sufficient reasons are behind then
alternative is even more radical :
ban any kind of petrol car like is going to happen in Finland
capital Helsinki enforcing this by 2018
let's enjoy the zenith of last century technology and geopolitical as much as you can
it s over...
sport cars R&D has been always driven by
mass production cars asking for evolution
if mass production cars switch to
a cleaner engine
then mass populated city
will be a better place to live
if CO2 would not be enough think also that for EU the euro bleeding for buying petrol from well known places will stop...
sufficient reasons are behind then
alternative is even more radical :
ban any kind of petrol car like is going to happen in Finland
capital Helsinki enforcing this by 2018
let's enjoy the zenith of last century technology and geopolitical as much as you can
it s over...
Last edited by fxz; 09-12-2015 at 08:15 AM.
09-12-2015, 01:45 PM
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