Embargo on 991.2 Carrera (S) Breaks - What does it mean for 991.2 GT3? Think turbos..
09-07-2015, 06:51 AM
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Hopefully PAG/VW group has enough "room" in their CO2 portfolio to keep the GT cars N/A for a while . The euro zone has some pretty tough goals set for the car manufactures. (Petevb probably has the numbers) but I seem to remember average 80mg co2/km per car produced by 2020.
I really hope Andreas P gets what he wants,
Keep hp at today's levels and work with weight on his GT program
I really hope Andreas P gets what he wants,
Keep hp at today's levels and work with weight on his GT program
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09-07-2015, 07:04 AM
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Both the Macan S and Macan Turbo are turbo-charged.
09-07-2015, 12:31 PM
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I'm on the list with a few dealerships for the .2GT cars so I'm not going to go through the BS of trying to get a GT4 or RS. 
The actual press release refers to 7 min 30 seconds (full 10 Seconds faster than 991 Carrera S), which brings the numbers much closer to the GT3 and especially on P Zero tires. Very impressive considering the 55HP deficit, and standard street tires. Mark
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/06/2...#slide-3609764
http://www.autoblog.com/2015/09/06/2...#slide-3609764
The gap is actually 5 seconds between new Carrera S and old GT3, but smaller when tires are equalized.
The GTS will be faster than the Carrera S, so how will Porsche extract enough NA performance to keep the GT3 clear of the more prosaic cars?
If they make the GT3 as extreme as the RS it'll be a lot more expensive, and still barely any faster...
09-07-2015, 12:41 PM
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Their first press release figure is often conservative - take a new Carrera S with MPSC2s and RWS and it's probably going to be within a 1 or 2 of seconds of the 991 GT3.
I've thought for a 2 years that the N/A GT3 was done, so nothing new in my view here, but GT2/GT2 RS + GT3 RS Special Edition is what we'll see. Next RSR will be Turbo too...
I've thought for a 2 years that the N/A GT3 was done, so nothing new in my view here, but GT2/GT2 RS + GT3 RS Special Edition is what we'll see. Next RSR will be Turbo too...
09-07-2015, 12:51 PM
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See on EVO website today:
"The normally aspirated 911 Carrera has become a thing of the past, but Mössle suggests Porsche might yet build a limited edition model – apart from the GT3 and RS version – that uses an atmospheric engine: ‘There will never be another series production normally aspirated 911,’ he says, ‘but maybe we will do some special edition cars.’"
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911//ne...porsche-sports
"The normally aspirated 911 Carrera has become a thing of the past, but Mössle suggests Porsche might yet build a limited edition model – apart from the GT3 and RS version – that uses an atmospheric engine: ‘There will never be another series production normally aspirated 911,’ he says, ‘but maybe we will do some special edition cars.’"
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911//ne...porsche-sports
09-07-2015, 01:10 PM
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Their first press release figure is often conservative - take a new Carrera S with MPSC2s and RWS and it's probably going to be within a 1 or 2 of seconds of the 991 GT3.
I've thought for a 2 years that the N/A GT3 was done, so nothing new in my view here, but GT2/GT2 RS + GT3 RS Special Edition is what we'll see. Next RSR will be Turbo too...
I've thought for a 2 years that the N/A GT3 was done, so nothing new in my view here, but GT2/GT2 RS + GT3 RS Special Edition is what we'll see. Next RSR will be Turbo too...
See on EVO website today:
"The normally aspirated 911 Carrera has become a thing of the past, but Mössle suggests Porsche might yet build a limited edition model – apart from the GT3 and RS version – that uses an atmospheric engine: ‘There will never be another series production normally aspirated 911,’ he says, ‘but maybe we will do some special edition cars.’"
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911//ne...porsche-sports
"The normally aspirated 911 Carrera has become a thing of the past, but Mössle suggests Porsche might yet build a limited edition model – apart from the GT3 and RS version – that uses an atmospheric engine: ‘There will never be another series production normally aspirated 911,’ he says, ‘but maybe we will do some special edition cars.’"
http://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911//ne...porsche-sports
As for the quote in Evo, notwithstanding something lost in translation, I would characterize the GT3 and RS - as well as every other 991 made to date - as "series production" models, in that they are not numbered, truly limited editions like the Sport Classic, Speedster, GT3 RS 4.0, GT2 RS, etc.
Said another way, I think some buyers will have the opportunity to buy a high performance, naturally aspirated Porsche 911 in the next generation, but only if they own a 918 and are willing to pay $250K (or maybe more) for it.
09-07-2015, 01:36 PM
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interesting to see new C2S laptime with
any 30/40 Hp X powerkit , lowered suspensions, and trofeo R...
to defend 991 GT series (not gts..)
they need a GT2
any 30/40 Hp X powerkit , lowered suspensions, and trofeo R...
to defend 991 GT series (not gts..)
they need a GT2
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Their first press release figure is often conservative - take a new Carrera S with MPSC2s and RWS and it's probably going to be within a 1 or 2 of seconds of the 991 GT3.
I've thought for a 2 years that the N/A GT3 was done, so nothing new in my view here, but GT2/GT2 RS + GT3 RS Special Edition is what we'll see. Next RSR will be Turbo too...
I've thought for a 2 years that the N/A GT3 was done, so nothing new in my view here, but GT2/GT2 RS + GT3 RS Special Edition is what we'll see. Next RSR will be Turbo too...
09-07-2015, 05:42 PM
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09-07-2015, 06:14 PM
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09-07-2015, 06:17 PM
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09-07-2015, 08:31 PM
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I bet the 991.2 GT3 will still be NA and just be a refresh of the interior/exterior to match the changes in the 991.2 Carreras.
Porsche lost money on the engine issues and suffered a black eye. AP has also said they will continue with NA for the "foreseeable" future. A move to Turbo now would be a mistake. Given the demand for the GT3 and RS, I would think Porsche would milk it some more with an interior/exterior refresh only for the .2.
Then they will make big decisions for 992.
At least that's what I'm hoping for.
Porsche lost money on the engine issues and suffered a black eye. AP has also said they will continue with NA for the "foreseeable" future. A move to Turbo now would be a mistake. Given the demand for the GT3 and RS, I would think Porsche would milk it some more with an interior/exterior refresh only for the .2.
Then they will make big decisions for 992.
At least that's what I'm hoping for.
09-07-2015, 08:42 PM
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How about a friendly $1,000 bet for charity? I bet the GT3 and RS will remain NA for the .2 versions. If I win, you and I each donate $1,000 to the choice of my charity. If you win, you and I each donate $1,000 to the choice of your charity. You game? 