alevine

I currently have a 997.2 Turbo that has the Escort 9500ci installed. It works great and is very stealth. In addition, I have a 2016 GT3 coming in a few weeks and I am debating whether I should transfer the 9500ci from the 997.2 to the GT3 or sell it when I sell the car. On the 997.2 the laser receivers/shifter blend nicely with the front slats on the 997.2 so you virtually don't see the receivers. They are tucked in nicely under the slats. Looking the the front bumper of the GT3 I'm not so sure this is the case. Does anyone have any pics of their install? I would like to see both exterior and interior ideas.

My other option is to buy a Passport Max2 and use a BlendMount. I have a 9500ix with BlendMount in my M3 but I'm not sure the range is as good as the 9500ci. That said the BlendMount does help it look much more stealth than a windshield mount.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Thanks,
Adam

NateOZ

This is my car with the STiR+: http://aidesign.com/our-work/recent-...1-gt3---yellow

Mech33

The Escort products are great radar detectors, but the laser jammers are outdated and poor performers (even with the latest Laser Interceptor partnership that has replaced the original LaserShifter heads). The laser jammer heads that come with the latest STiR+ / 9500ci setup simply can't jam the latest LIDAR guns effectively. They work OK on the older guns, but then it's a bit more of a game of chance in the field.

The best laser jammer setup available right now is the ALPriority system. They jam the most LIDAR guns the most reliably, and the firmware is constantly being updated as new guns or issues are found. More info here: http://www.alpriorityusa.com

If you can spare no expense and don't mind installing a bunch of stuff on the car, the best radar / LIDAR combo IMO is:
- Beltronis STiR+ (no shifters, just radar): this gives you great sensitivity, plus GPS-based lockout of consistent radar sources around town
- ALPriority 2-head system: this is the best LIDAR jamming system available at any price

I however didn't want to pile so much stuff in my car (I had the STiR+ on my last car, along with Laser Interceptor heads, which is equivalent to the latest STiR+ and shifter combo). This time around I knew I wanted to go with the ALPriority system, but still wanted integrated radar.

Luckily ALPriority has released a "STiR radar antenna integration" package that lets you plug the STiR antenna into the ALPriority system. It doesn't give you GPS-based lock-out, but it does give you great radar performance and the best laser jamming possible. With this system, you only have one CPU brain, two laser heads, one STiR radar head, and an adapter module made by ALPriority to connect the radar head to the ALP system.

Alekshop just did my ALPriority + STiR install and they did a fantastic job mounting the heads in the GT3 front bumper. It was a pain, but it turned out well and they've performed great in testing (I had them tested against 3 different LIDAR guns last weekend). I think this is the ideal mounting location for the GT3 to most optimally cover the targets of the headlights and center-of-mass of the car.

The radar antenna is simply mounted behind the bumper shell.

NateOZ

The optimal position on the GT3 is actually on the edge of the center air intake - what they'be done is the optimal position on the non GT 991's without the third radiator.

It's a much better triangle of coverage being in the centre air intake.

You absolutely need rear lasers in the NY tristate as alot of hits are happening from behind here. I don't know where you plan on driving but something to consider.

Mech33

I respectfully disagree, since I chose that location by design. Primary target cops are trained to shoot for is the reflective headlights, followed by the front plate (if the car has one). Putting them in the center grill pushes them down too low and inefficiently too close together with excess sensor coverage overlap and therefore compromised headlight / off-axis coverage, in my opinion. You want to place them such that the sensors pick up the gun over the widest range of realistic targeting of the car.

Realistically you'll be fine either way for most cases as long as you're well-aligned. The most important thing if you want ultimate protection is to go with the ALP system and not the shifters from Escort / Beltronics / Laser Inteceptor since those simply can't jam newer guns.

NateOZ

I went with it based on the recommendation of the shop I take my cars to for these type of installs. It really is their core bsiness - they do it for a lot of the local car community, including bull run contestants, cross country record attempts etc. They've literally done well over 100 991's.

But I do agree its splitting hairs and my Targa will have the heads in the same location you posted.

Mech33

Yeah honestly it's nitpicking. At realistic targeting distances the beam from the gun is huge and either config will pick it up. Differences will only show up at very close range and off-axis shots, at which point you should already have been alerted and slowed or visibly seen the cop.

Pain factor, it is WAY harder to install it where mine are, and it's probably not worth it for the added trouble. Two custom metal brackets plus the modified sensor head bracket were needed PER side grill due to lack of Bsilable attachment surfaces behind the bumper there. Center grill is much easier with less cutting.

But I'm surprised that shop is still installing those "Laser Interceotor" types of heads, or at least not discussing the performance / risk trade offs of doing so if they are on top of their game / the laser jammer industry.

I was at a LIDAR jammer testing meet last weekend to test my fresh instal, and 4 of the 5 cars had ALP heads and 1 had Laser Interceptor. The ALP jammer the 3 test guns consistently, while the Laser Interceptor install couldn't jam 2 of the 3 guns. It jammer 1 of the guns no problem every time, so install was solid. Those 2 guns happen to be very common in California, so it was a pretty telling test.

4 years ago Laser Interceptor was at the top of their game. But now their hardware is showing the age, and firmware updates / fixes are stagnant. Even the ALPriority heads have been out for a while now and I wouldn't be surprised if a newer, smaller, high-performing system doesn't come out in the relatively near future. Then it will need to get proven over time.

Once ALP released the ability to integrate the STiR antenna with their system as a $500 add-on, I was sold. Only downside is no GPS-based lockouts (but I disable K-band radar anyway and most all Ka-band threats are real), and no visual display (audio voice alerts only). I don't mind the audio only, since not having a display one less thing to have to hack into the car's interior...

reuben991

The Stinger solution is worth considering if you can stomach the price

https://rennlist.com/forums/991/8797...r-jammers.html

alevine

Holy crap! This can be much more involved than I envisioned! The 9500ci that I have installed was purchased in 2011. I have not done any software or firmware updates but it appears that might be outdated due to the laser jammers alone. That said, I have no idea if lasers are prevalent in my area. In fact, I cannot recall the "laser alert" notification going off more than a few times since I have owned the car. Curious how I can find out if lasers are used my area. If they are used and I am simply not picking them up perhaps I should consider the Bell STiR+ and the ALPriority as a replacement for my 9500ci.

alevine

OMG, this is the coolest install I have ever seen. I wish I had someone in Chicago that can do this kind of work. Very stealth!

alevine

BTW, are the windshield based units like the Escort Max2 effective? Do they compare to the installed versions? I assume they are not as sensitive.

RCorsa

+1. I did the same setup in my new 991 TTS in Febuary and I'm a former convert from escort 9500ci as well. It is clearly the best system out there. I posted my setup and some of the tests that prove the above in the Turbo section sometime in Febuary after I got the work done. Got hit by a new dragon gun just the other week and it worked perfectly. My laser jammers are in nearly the exact same location too. Location is not as important as alignment but any good shop will know this. You should be looking at around $3500-4500 for a full stealth install.

Mech33

The separate radar detectors (V1, Escort Redline / Max2) are all fantastic radar receivers. The only advantage of the built-in systems like the 9500i / STiR+ is not having the unit hanging off the windshield. You actually sacrifice a little radar performance by installing them in the bumper. But the separate detectors are worthless as laser detectors, since once you're hit they've got your speed (unless you're jamming).

An old 9500i like that has old Escort shifter technology that doesn't work well at all. As for figuring out laser use, your best bet would be to join a laser / radar forum and check out the regional forums to learn more about what's used in your area.

Stinger is looking stellar radar sensitivity-wise, but their laser jammer performance is currently abysmal. They're working on a gen 2, but it isn't released yet so nobody knows if they've improved the performance to compete with other units on the market yet.

BTW, according to those pictures the laser jammer setup on your car is Blinder brand.

NateOZ

I had them do Blinders on the last couple of installs they did for me - I don't think they have really mattered in the NE as I assume the guns are still older tech. I did it mostly due to the smaller size and little more future proofing.

Mech33

I think the Blinders in general fare a bit better than the Laser Interceptors do nowadays, so that's a good thing (I mistakingly interpreted your original post and suggesting you were using the Escort-branded laser shifter heads as part of an STiR+ install). I still recommend ALPriority for any future installs of ultimate performance and future-proofing until an even better system becomes available one day.