Bardman

You should post the same question in the GT4 forum and see what responses you get.

NateOZ

I would get the GT4, 200 lbs lighter (lower consumables cost), better cornering speed, $50k cheaper, cheaper insurance for those 8 track days.

I own a 3.8L PDK Cayman race car and a 991 GT3, I find the Cayman a lot more fun on the track but it's a fully sorted race car. You could spend some of the saved GT4 money upgrading the suspension and adding a race exhaust system and you'll realize how quiet the GT3 really is...9,000 rpm is quieter than 4,000 rpm in my Cayman.

GrantG

Yes, but that article also concluded that the GT4 was the best car to drive (subjectively) of the whole group.

It was translated as follows in post #5:

"Look at the numbers and you already know the winner: the 911 GT3. But not for me. The Cayman GTS and the 911 Carrera GTS also come close to the sports car ideal, but I feel the GT4 distills the Porsche essence the best. A bit rough, a bit hard, but still everyday useable, mind-bogglingly agile, demanding, precise, emotional, at the same time somehow grounded. This mix intoxicated on the road - where the galactically fast GT3 bored."

https://rennlist.com/forums/gt4/8766...s-article.html

GrantG

For the record, I don't think the GT4 is "better" than a GT3 (or even as good in most aspects) but it was a better personal choice for me.

GT3 Pros:

9k redline dry sump motor
Rear engine (I actually prefer this on track, though not all agree)
7 close ratios in gearbox
Multi-link rear suspension
e-diff

GT4 Pros:

Lighter, smaller chassis (991 has grown too large for my taste) - no need for RWS
Manual gearbox (this is a big deal to me and the GT4 supposedly shifts beautifully)
5-lug wheels make diy much less frustrating
The GT3 brakes are even more impressive/durable when applied to a smaller and less powerful car
Mid engine chassis produces a very agile, playful, and tossable balance that should be more fun on the road (i.e. below the limit)
GT3 costs 53% more than GT4

HT#70

Owned and raced Cayman S (987) race car, owned a Cayman S (981) manual street car, 997 GT3 and now own a 991 GT3. The 991 GT3 is better in nearly every way compared to the Caymans. The Caymans are awesome, it is really only a demonstration of how great all these cars really are. My advice, GT3.

FORENN

I have both on order, as well, and I agree with Moe ^^^.

FORENN

Agree. Post in GT4 section ... and then hope folks will be honest.

FORENN

If money is an issue or if you just have to have a manual, then get the GT4. I can't think of any other reason why you would take the 4 over the 3.

DrJupeman

^This

I have very little experience with Caymans, but if you will allow me to extend Boxster experience to Caymans, I think the 911 is a no brainer. I have owned and raced Boxsters and found the mid-engined Porsche to be an amazing performer. But these cars are ultimately a bit plain and lacking character when compared to a 911. It was a good diversion for a while but it taught me that 911s have lasted this long for a reason: character and uniqueness.

I am buying a 991 GT3 without ever having driven one, for what that is worth. See my sig for my Porsche layout bias... The 991 GT3 will be 911 #4 in the current stable. ��

NateOZ

The rear vs mid-engined argument for me doesn't hold so much with the 991 and rear wheel steering, a lot of the character is gone from the car. I have a 991 GT3 RS on order, but I suspect it'll drive more rear-mid-engined as well.

My wife wants me to keep the GT3 when the RS arrives, but I'm going to replace it with a 964 for some more classic 911 track days.

zedcat

If the GT3 and GT4 had been available at the same time I would have bought a GT4- for the 6MT, convenience of 5 bolt wheels, lower price and prior experience with the 987. I have a GT3 and think it's a great car. Also on the wait list for a GT4.

No wrong answer. suggest find a GT3 to test drive and also a 6MT Cayman GTS. Sure the GTS is not the same but as close as you can get for a test and might identify something you really like/dislike.

sccchiii

This is a debate with no ending......GT4 = great car, GT3 = great car. Its very simple as many have pointed out, there is only 2 questions you need to answer. Cost and Tranny, thats it. GT4 is the bargain of GT cars and will be for quite some time and that plays a big part for many.

reidry

I just returned from the GT3 Thank You event at the PCNA headquarters / experience center in Atlanta. For a couple of hours we cycled through every Porsche offering from Boxster through 911 Turbo. During that time we were back in a GT3 twice, once on the low friction circle and once around the outer handling circuit. The only manual was a Boxster GTS on the low friction handling course so only needed first gear.

I've driven manual cars all my life. I don't miss the manual when driving my '15 GT3.

Short of a 991 GT3RS or 918 Spyder I wouldn't trade my GT3 for anything in the Porsche lineup.

Ryan

thxbuff2001

Depends on how much money you have or what use you want it?

2 different cars. yesterday, I was driving my GT3 and all of a sudden, I was wanting a manual car. Cant have both now, so I will stick with my GT3.

Will I trade my 3 to a 4, no. If I get a bigger garage, I may want a 4. Better that than a carrera for the price at least.

Alan C.

Tough decision. I had a 10 GT3 prior to my 15 GT3. I really don't miss the manual. I had a GT4 on order for an August delivery. I cancelled it.