lumber

No doubt...
Maybe pts will eventually be worth less than a standard color 👀

<3mph

Ah. Got it. 🇳🇱🍊🇳🇱🍊🇳🇱🍊🇳🇱

bronson7

Lovely red. Very sad to hear about Signal Orange not getting approved. Daniel, I know it's one of your favourites. When a colour doesn't meet approval, do they give reasons why?

997rs4.0

Color is trendy. Ten years ago very few people would even think about buying a blue 993.
Today blue, green seems to be the one to have.
2025! Who knows???????? Pink? Lava?

<3mph

Thanks for the condolences. I was really hoping it would be approved. I can't speak for anyone else's experience, but I did not get an exact reason why Signal Orange failed. I suspect that's standard protocol.

mooty

i want pink

jo_ker

some PTS sale adds from GER and NL:



Rivera
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...s46-2_c01_4201

http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...s46-2_c01_4201


green:
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...s46-2_c01_4201


Speedgelb:
http://suchen.mobile.de/auto-inserat...s46-2_c01_4201

JanisK

Awesome selection of PTS cars here! <br/><br/>I really like the Voodoo Blue, not seen one in the UK yet! <br/><br/>Here's a green monster we worked on recently - it's difficult to look at it in full sun, this car is very bright!

Mcx

Hmmm, great problem to have!

NateOZ

You can take comfort in the fact that it was the sample you sent them that failed for whatever reason not necessarily a rejection to do Signal Orange. I suspect they may actually fail colors where you attempt to use a historic paint code and it's not close enough. I'm still working on a couple of samples but we're trying to get the historic color 99% reproduced which means money to get spray outs done with hand mixed colors and ideally compare it to an actual car in that color still in factory paint. The more red in a color the harder it is to match and sadly what I'm after is pretty red. We may just end up calling it "Nate's XXX" if I like the color and we can't confirm it is historically accurate enough to feel good about the approval.

I'm working with a shop that has had recent success on a couple of colors but I think the whole process is ridiculous . The factory surely has the colors and can mix a sample to get it approved.

Larryf

PTS with historic colors is a nightmare with these guys. I tried going with some old school 911 blues from the 60's. I know the biggest issues I faced were:

transmitting Glassurit codes from the 60's with single stage painting to modern multi stage process. Paints are formulated differently today(duh) and the colors never matched up.

Porsche failed them due to adhesion issues with the new carbon parts

and finally let us not forget the newest nugget of info: PTS is not done in house, so I doubt the outside vendor has the library of colors we think. So for Porsche it probably is time consuming to test.

What Porsche has failed to capitalize on vs Ferrari, Macca MSO et al: people who want to customize generally will pay up! Put a number on it and let them bite. My Macca MSO bills for both my 12c and 675LT were stupid.

NateOZ

I'm deciding right now if I want to spend the money on the whole Glassurit to modern paint translation or not. Part of me is just sick of Porsche's order process that I might not bother, but I know I will regret that I didn't risk the money if everything turns out (i.e. PTS allowed, allocation available etc).

It really shouldn't be a job to try to order a car how you want. Macca keeps getting more appealing to me, including the 570S GT4/Sprint now for the track.

<3mph

Nate, I'm wondering if that may have been part of the issue. However, I did request from Exclusive to compare the sample I sent with factory samples for Signal orange, and I was assured this was something they would do for me. The spray out card came from a Porsche certified shop in town too. I believe that some colours just won't pass the tests very well nowadays. But unfortunately without knowing what the problem was, I am not sure I know how to improve my chances with this particular colour, or if it's even worth reattempting to pass Signal orange. Any advice?

Z356

I am almost at my limit of 'angst' with PTS at Porsche. I have contacted
my sources at PAG & PCNA this week over the '3rd Party' PTS painting
rumor first posted by Unotaz & Whoopsy in a 991 gt3 forum thread &
have yet to receive a reply. You can follow the exchange at the link
below:

https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3-...11r-pts-4.html

Hopefully we will get a response & the matter clarified for the record.
In the meantime, I will no longer be involved carrying any further
'water' for Porsche on the PTS topic until I get more cooperation
from those individuals tasked - & paid handsomely - to deal with
their PTS customers (of which I am one) at this corporation, which
last I heard is still a for-profit organization. And I like to remind
all that PTS is a profitable option (recently adjusted up in price to
nearly $7K from $5.5K) regardless the headaches re: its convoluted
logistics at PAG!

Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale, AZ

Thus the following post which I wrote elsewhere at Rennlist:


"The 'King', eh? Better than the 'Queen' in this case, I guess.

Gents: The problem is that since July 2015 PAG has categorized
the approved PTS lists 'For Internal Use Only - Confidential'.



I have an even more updated list than Feb 12, 2016 but my copy
doesn't have an exact date. But it has more colors approved than
the Feb 2016 list...so I know it's newer! For example, in it 'Nardo
Grey', the Audi color I chose for my new '16 RS7 (but referred by
Audi as 'Nardo Gray'), has been finally approved for PTS at Porsche!







I am still getting the approved PTS list from my sources inside the
organization but I will not post them in a public forum until I get
permission from Porsche. I have been trying to convince PAG that
it's not in the best interest of their customers, and ultimately PAG,
to hide this list, keep it secret & surround it in 'mystery' once again.
That is the world we lived with during the pre-991 model period
before we started publishing the list & explaining how PTS works
in a series of threads dating back to 2012 here at Rennlist. As a
matter of fact, just four of these threads now have total views
of over one million views...a testament to the popularity of the
subject matter among enthusiasts here at Rennlist! And that
interest has directly translated into record demand for this most
'unique' of options that you can order in a Porsche!



I have made my views known on the 'Confidential' obstacle to the
posting of the approved list to Barbara Boeckenhoff - Manager,
Porsche Exclusive & Personal Design - PCNA, as well as to other
individuals in key positions at both PAG & PCNA. But so far it has
been to no avail. So it's up to all of you, if you want to know the
approved PTS colors & how the PTS windows work, to lobby your
contacts at Porsche & the P-dealers to disseminate this information
& not hold it 'confidential'. The premise of keeping this information
close to the vest is the false assumption that by 'us' not talking about
it too much at places like Rennlist, or allowing the list to be published
in the internet, demand for PTS will go 'down' & be more 'manageable'
for those responsible for planning this 'troublesome' option at the factory.

In the end, PAG will decide what it wants to do...and we either will have
to accept it or shop elsewhere for an alternative brand. I am not going
to send this list to any of you without the approval of PAG, so please
don't ask. So if you want to know about approved PTS colors, you need
to demand a response from PAG, PCNA & your P-dealers. And you can
start by contacting 'Porsche Exclusive' in Atlanta. Even though this group
doesn't actually run PTS in Germany, 'Porsche Exclusive' can be a sounding
board that allows Porsche to hear what you want in regards the PTS program
& option.

Porsche Cars North America, Inc.
Porsche Exclusive - Personal Design Studio
One Porsche Drive
Atlanta, GA 30354
E-Mail: PersonalDesign@porsche.us

So please give it some thought & contact them about this important
topic. Otherwise it will become (once again) the 'exclusive' option
of only those well connected to dealers 'in the know' & assorted VIP's.
And if we return to this 'opaque' world of PTS, the average Porsche
customer will be the principal loser!

So it's up to each & everyone of you to determine the future of this
Paint-to-Sample program. Caveat emptor. You have been warned."

JanisK

That perfectly explains why the finish on a PTS car is not like on a stock car 😂 with stock car being the standard and PTS somewhat catching up with it.

Should it not be the other way round?