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Perhaps it's just me, but I really love how blue hues fit the curves on Porsches. Olympic, and even the new Miami look amazing on the larger Porsche bodies of today. The lighter shades help highlight the aerodynamic designs.
An interesting 'Birch Green' gt4 was just delivered in the UK.
Here are posts from that forum that I think shed some light
on this stunning color!
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Originally Posted by Less than 3mph
From PH!!
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Originally Posted by Z356
To add more information on this UK gt4 that Daniel posted above,
here are it's specifications as reported by the owner (sandipshaunak)
in PistonHeads:
PTS birch green
Rear wing supports black
64 litre tank
LWB
PCM
Sound package plus
Mobile phone prep
Light design package
Stitching in platinum
Silver seat belts
Leather interior package
Centre console in leather
DAB
2 zone climate
Smoking package
Porsche crest on storage lid
Thanks for the post, Daniel!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Originally Posted by sandy59
I believe that green may be 'light green' and not 'birch green' according to the owner.
Awesome colour all the same.
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Originally Posted by Z356
Sandy:
Here is what the owner posted on PistonHeads himself:
That is why we, the Porsche enthusiasts with some historical memory,
still refer to 'Lichtgrün', color code 253, as 'Birch Green'. Hope this
sheds some light on the subject.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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Originally Posted by sandy59
Thanks Eduardo for the comprehensive explanation. Where I was getting confused was he later posted this pic calling it light green :
Then someone else posted this one saying this was birch green, I wasn't sure if they were actually the same :
Are you saying these are both the same colour ??
I guess it could just be the lighting & different camera etc.
Sandy
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Originally Posted by Z356
Sandy:
Yes, it's the same color. 'Lichtgrün', 'Light Green' (presently)
and 'Birch Green' are all the same - Porsche color code 253.
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When I was in Germany last July (2015), I went out of my way to visit
the Bensberg Porsche dealership where that car you posted was for sale.
I wanted to see the color for myself in person one more time. A photo
of that car had been posted earlier last summer here on Rennlist on one
of my 'Custom Ordering/PTS' threads. I contacted the person in Germany
who posted the photo and he told me where the dealership was located.
Here are the photos I took of that car:
It was simply stunning!
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This is not the first time I have seen ' 'Lichtgrün' in person. I saw &
photographed a 991 Cabriolet that 'Porsche Exclusive' had on display
at Zuffenhausen in 2013. I utilized the same camera as the one I
used in 2015 at Bensberg, yet the photos make the color look quite
dissimilar due to lighting, etc. That is why I tell everybody not to
trust photos to judge a PTS color...you need to see it in person with
your own eyes!
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By the way, the person on PistonHeads that posted that photo of the
Bensberg 'Birch Green' 991 is none other that ISUK. He is due to
received a 'Lichtgrün' gt4 in early 2016. ISUK has had some of the
nicest PTS Porsches I have seen in England and has previously been
a poster here on Rennlist!
My apologies to bring a different car into this thread but how accurate would this approved list for MY2016 RS be for the next generation .2 GT3? and a brief explanation of how that will be determined please? Thank you.
I believe the list of approved PTS colours still applies to .2 cars. This belief is based on the last (unpublished publicly) list which has the heading "9x1," signifying 991 and 981, but not specifically 9x1.1--and of course .2 cars are still 991!
(FWIW, prior lists simply stated "911" and "Boxster/Cayman" as separate headings, but this is the first time I've seen that the two were combined as 9x1 since the two previous columns for the 911 and Boxster/Cayman were identical. This is also the first time I recall that the more generic "911" has been replaced by the internal code "991" (technically "9x1"), strongly suggesting that this list will necessarily not apply to 992. This is corroborated by past experience where some colours from the 997 PTS cars were not simply carried over to the 991 list (eg. Chartreuse which was available on 997 but only now has been approved for 991), but rather all colours for 991 had to be specifically requested and approved all over for 991. So I suspect the 992 cars will have a brand new list starting at that time. Hopefully whatever car people want to do PTS on next is then actually made as a 991.2 car as opposed to the next time being seen as a 992 car.)
FWIW, I am presuming the body panels of the 991.2 cars are essentially unchanged from 991.1 cars. If, as was the case with the .1 RS, they introduce a bunch of new panels in new materials (e.g. Mag roof), then it is not certain that all approved 911 colours will still be a go. But as was the case with the .1 RS, it still turned out that many (if not all) requested colours were ok.
The other issue that remains is that new lists of approved PTS colours (sometime after May 2015) have become "for internal use only--confidential," meaning they are not to be publicly distributed. So the many colours that are on that last publicly available list from 5-12-15 will still be available and valid, but any new colours may not be widely known (unless, as in the case of Chartreuse for instance, the person(s) involved in requesting the approval makes it known to us). Fortunately, there are many great colour options on the last public list, but it would be a dreadful shame if something beautiful and historically important, say like signal orange or jade green, were added and no one knew to take advantage of it.
Hopefully someone with influence (perhaps our PTS guru, Eduardo) will convince the powers that be at PAG to make public, transparent, and available all this extremely valuable information about PTS to its customers.
...but how accurate would this approved list for MY2016 RS
be for the next generation .2 GT3? and a brief explanation
of how that will be determined please? Thank you.
The approved PTS list (dated 5/2015) posted on the first page of
this thread, and attached below, is good for all future .2 991/981
(not just '16 gt3 RS). But it's contents are being updated every
few months by PAG. Normally, colors that are approved after a
feasibility study, or that are newly put on a feasibility status, will
be added to the updated list for all to see. But they could also
announce 'rejections' (the color didn't pass its feasibility study).
And in some cases, PAG can determine that an already approved
color is causing too many warranty paint issues, so they need to
cancel it to avoid the expenses & headaches. That is rare, but it
can happen...and it has indeed happened in the past!
PAG has already published a 7/2015 update to the list I have
posted below, but which I have not posted on Rennlist because
of this 'warning':
And apparently there was a 9/2015 update that I have not yet seen.
Perhaps a new one in December has just been internally distributed,
which probably included the recent approval of the color 'Chartreuse',
which has been a topic of conversation at our forum this week! So
its a moving target!
New PTS colors can be requested via an elaborate procedure set up
by Porsche AG. If it's a unique color (e.g. 'Hot Pink Shoe') you must
submit a color sample with your order...unless you have 'pull' & your
dealer can get the color started for a feasibility study without a firm
order in hand. If it's a historic/vintage Porsche color they have a
color chip & formula in hand at Zuffenhausen, you might get lucky
& not need to provide them with a separate sample (but this needs
to be confirmed with PAG since there is liability involve in case you
don't like how the color comes out).
From July 2012 to July 2015, PAG has basically doubled the number
of approved PTS colors for its 991/981 models. And PTS for Panameras
& Macans are also part of the list. So the list keeps growing as Porsche
customers add requests to the list of approved PTS colors. Supposedly
each P dealer will have access to the latest approved PTS list, so that is
your first stop for asking if there has been any changes to the 5/2015
PTS approved list posted below!
I hope that brief explanation was useful.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
PS I wrote & submitted this post before seeing that Daniel had answered
the question. And he is correct.
I saw that "confidential" screen shot this past weekend at my dealer, kudos
I was made aware of a PTS on a new 991 Aqua Blue Metallic RS that has plenty crazy voodoo associated with it. Like the paint has been approved and ordered over 6 months ago but Germany is unwilling to give a build slot time frame for the car even though it has RS build slots available...
I saw that "confidential" screen shot this past weekend at my dealer, kudos
I was made aware of a PTS on a new 991 Aqua Blue Metallic RS that has plenty crazy voodoo associated with it. Like the paint has been approved and ordered over 6 months ago but Germany is unwilling to give a build slot time frame for the car even though it has RS build slots available...
Mj
Happy to offer what little info I know!
By "made aware" do you mean offered to purchase? Or do you mean this car is spoken for? Yes it seems delays are the new norm, even in the absence of a formal stop sale. hope pts RSs start showing up soon
Well, I appreciate it! Car is spoken for... I am in an ok position on a future .2 RS allocation and in a great position on a .2 GT3. I hope we get some clarity on all of this next fall. In the meantime I am boning up on PTS...
This is something I posted on the 981 'Custom Ordering' thread,
but it might be of interest to some of you here!
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Originally Posted by Milehigh981
No word on signal orange or aubergine ?
Originally Posted by Z356
As of the last PTS approved list I have (July 2015), neither of
those two colors - 'Signal Orange' & 'Aubergine' - have been
requested by a customer at the PTS program at PAG. Thus
they are not even in the feasibility study phase. I hope
somebody has the courage to step up and start the feasibility
study for those two truly beautiful colors!
By the way, I have a correction to make. I looked over the
5/2015 PAG approved PTS list and 'Aubergine' is finally
on the feasibility study! So let's see when/if it gets approved!
'Aubergine', historically color code 025, keeps its vintage
number! It was a very popular color when introduced by
Porsche on the MY1972/1973 911 as a no-cost standard
offering!
And in particular, that color didn't weather age very well.
Hopefully, the newer paint technology will prevent that
from happening on the new formulation of 'Aubergine'!
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Personally, I find the new RS's 'Ultraviolet' to be a more
vibrant purple hue than the vintage 'Aubergine/025'!
This exclusive .1 991 gt3 RS color has a bit of the vintage early
911 'Royal Purple' (color code 341) hue also from MY1972/1973,
although that was an extra-cost 'Special Order' back then!
As an aside, one 'color expert' on Rennlist has posted this exact photo
(above) in one of our forums & called the color 'RS Lilac/Royal Blue'.
This color was available on all 911 models in MY1972/1973. And the
color was often referred as 'Lilac'...but never as 'Royal Blue'!
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But PAG doesn't seem to be planning to allow 'Ultraviolet' to
be ordered either as a PTS or as a 'Special Color' anytime
soon...so it might be a moot point!
But I will be glad to see when 'Aubergine' finally makes it
on the approved PTS list!
Sadly, it looks like aubergine didn't make the cut on the 9/15 list.
Thanks for that (sad) info Nate. What an interesting and spectacular colour! I wonder why it was rejected. Without divulging too much sensitive info, is there anything else you can say about new colours, pending or approved, from that latest list? Thanks in advance!
Thanks for that (sad) info Nate. What an interesting and spectacular colour! I wonder why it was rejected. Without divulging too much sensitive info, is there anything else you can say about new colours, pending or approved, from that latest list? Thanks in advance!
It does seem odd that it was rejected, hopefully they try again with a new formulation. The list has grown by 12 colors, but I've not gone through in detail on the changes from F to Approved, aubergine was just something that had jumped out at me as I've always been a fan of the color and it was on my list for a future order.
Why is it always 'Speed Yellow' on the PCCB & not matching the new 'Racing Yellow'?
As posted on the 981 forum but though it might interest others here!
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Originally Posted by 550.spyder
The calipers of the PCCB are "speed yellow" while the new interior
color matches the new yellow paint and is "racing yellow".
No clue why Porsche didn't switch the caliper
color simultaneously.
They had the speed yellow calipers in the program for quite some
time and it matched the interior, as well as the yellow paint that
came as standard color. Now it's speed yellow for the calipers
but they switched to racing yellow for paint and interior color.
Just strange.
No, not 'strange' at all. There is a method to their madness...for
sticking to 'Speed Yellow' as their official color for their PCCB!
Porsche has a very distinct policy of 'branding' the color of their
brake calipers to specific categories of performance in most cases.
And because of 'political correctness' in at least one case!
A little history first:
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1) Porsche introduced the carbon ceramics brakes (PCCB) as
standard on the MY2001 gt2 model & optional on that year's
911 Turbo:
2) Porsche launched 'Speed Yellow' as an exterior offering around
1993/1994. The color remained as a standard offering until 2012,
when it was replaced by 'Racing Yellow', first on the 991 then the
981.
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3) 'Racing Yellow' will continue for the balance of .2 991 (my guess),
but will probably be replaced with another yellow hue for the next
chassis - e.g. 992. Yet I totally expect 'Speed Yellow' to remain the
color of the 'PCCB' brakes regardless what new 'yellow' exterior color
Porsche chooses to offer next on their future platform or models
(for the most part).
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4) Porsche decided to paint the calipers of their 'PCCB' in yellow
to differentiate the 'brand' of its top performance brakes. And
it seems to me that they choose 'Speed Yellow' from the beginning,
and decided to stick to that color from then on for 'branding'
purposes...
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5) And it's 'Speed Yellow' for all PCCBs in the Porsche model range, but
for one* principal exception - the 918 Spyder. So PAG is not interested
whether these brake caliper colors 'match' or 'coordinate' with a vehicle's
chosen color scheme (exterior paint, deviated stitching, deviated seat piping
or deviated color seat belts). It's all about branding the color to the
calipers to a brake performance level for the most part at Porsche!
*The other was the 997 Turbo S 'Edition 918 Spyder'
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6)) There are only five 'colors' that Porsche uses on their brake
calipers... 'Black', 'Acid Green', 'Silver', 'Speed Yellow' and 'Red'.
Photo shows available brakes on the Porsche Panamera models!
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7) The one exception is the brakes of their Hybrid models. On the
918, for example, the standard PCCB brakes have calipers painted
in 'Acid Green', the politically-correct brake color for that hybrid
platform. And it's also done for 'branding' purposes.
But for their 918 customers (all VIP by definition) however, PAG made
an exception & allowed customers that didn't want 'Acid Green' on their
calipers to change to just one other color - 'Silver' - at a cost just under
$3K for the privilege of that small modification!
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8) On their Panamera S - E Hybrid, however, their 'standard' brakes
are painted 'Acid Green':
But even in this Hybrid model, if you order PCCBs, you get 'Speed Yellow'
calipers on your ceramic brakes:
So the 'branding' theme remains - PCCB's as their top performance
brakes, remain painted 'Speed Yellow' even on this hybrid to maintain
the 'brand' image carefully cultivated by Porsche that equates 'Speed
Yellow' calipers with PCCBs!
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9) It seems that perhaps in the 996 period, PAG honored the request
of some of their VIP customers to paint a different color their PCCB
calipers. Although seldom allowed and extremely costly to do, there
were cases where PAG acceded to these requests.
But in the 997 era (it seems), PAG made a decision NOT to deviate
from the 'standard' color branding scheme they established. Today,
I do not believe PAG will consider painting a PCCB caliper on a 991
or 981 any other color but 'Speed Yellow' at the factory. Same for
the base 'Black' calipers or the 'Red' for the S models! 'Silver'
(some called it 'Titanium') apparently graced some 996 models,
but that practice was soon discarded and to my knowledge there
were no 997s, 987s, 991s or 981's with anything other than the
standard three colors - 'Yellow', 'Red' & 'Black' - with the exception
of the few 'Edition 918 Spyder' 997 Turbo S with 'Acid Green'
calipers on the PCCBs offered to 918 deposit-holders in 2011:
'Silver' calipers on the brakes seems to appear only on some current
models of the Panamera, Cayenne & Macan (don't ask me why!). And
were optional, as previously mentioned, on the 918!
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10) On one (April 2013) of my visits to 'Porsche Exclusive' in Zuffenhausen,
I specifically asked Boris Apenbrink, Director - Special Vehicles, whether
PAG would consider a request for a deviating color for the brake calipers
on any 991/981 model. And his response was an emphatic 'Nein'. PAG
& 'Porsche Exclusive' had considered the requests for color coordination
for brake calipers and rejected it in favor of faithfully adhering to the
concept of associating a specific color (e.g.. 'Speed Yellow'), with a
specific performance brake (e.g. 'PCCB'). And they were more interested
in that 'mental association with a particular color' than with allowing their
customers to fully customize every painted surface on their vehicle!
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11) 'Branding' works. Ferrari now offers ceramic brakes as standard
in all of their regular models. But a customer can choose from a few
colors for their calipers. Increasingly, their clients are choosing 'Yellow'
calipers because many of their customers associate 'yellow' with ceramic
brakes. Guess who 'branded' that 'tradition'?
MB 'AMG', BMW 'M' & Audi 'quattro GmbH' have not fallen yet for the
'fad' of using 'Yellow' calipers for their ceramic brakes...but give them
a few years & let's see where it all goes with the yellow caliper craze!
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Hope I covered the main points...and I didn't missed anything vital!
And if I did, step up & contribute to the conversation!
12-20-2015, 08:37 AM
