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Does anyone know if the "request" is "required" to get PTS? I am in a logistical dance and I am trying to maximize my (slim) odds. If it is required, I will go fork over whatever I have to in ADM to get a slot now. I was operating under the (perhaps wrong) assumption that only orders submitted in the PTS window with an allocation could (but not necessarily would) get PTS.
Relatedly, has anyone submitted a request for a new PTS feasibility study for a GT3 order? I was told "nein, this we cannot do" so I took somewhat extreme measures and just ordered a C2 (I am fine buying two cars).
Eduardo, please help. What color green is the 918 in the video on the top of page 6, in the thread F40 vs CGT question, in the Supercar section? Birch?
Eduardo, please help. What color green is the 918 in the
video on the top of page 6, in the thread F40 vs CGT
question, in the Supercar section? Birch?
This one?
It's either 'Acid Green' non-metallic or Lichtgrün (Birch).
Both were approved for the 918 & both were built. A
similar color 918 - but in 'metallic' - that was in attendance
at Rennlist V at Laguna Seca in 2015 was a variation of
the hue - 'Acid Green Pearl'.
*
But the one at Iron Gate appears to be a solid/uni color,
so it is either 'Acid Green' or 'Lichtgrün' (Birch):
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If the 918 at Iron Gate video has brown leather seats with
'acid green' piping it might be the Boise 'Acid Green' 918
Weissach that was for sale in the US a while back:
Just had a visit here in Colorado from Steve & Sherry F.
of San Antonio's 'Long Horn Region' as they slowly worked
themselves back to Texas after attending the PCA Parade
in Spokane! They are the lucky owners of 2 (two) 'Racing
Yellow' gt4's & drove with one of them from their home in
Austin to the PCA Parade in Washington State!
They are the original owners of the MY2012 987 Spyder in
'Speed Yellow', one of only four 987 PTS Spyders known to
exist at least in North America if not the world! Here is a
photo of it I took at the 2012 Parade in Utah when Steve
owned it!
***
Steve is an Air Force Academy (Colorado Springs) graduate
& a former F4 Phantom fighter pilot!
But in spite of that, his favorite color not Wild Yonder 'Blue'
but 'Yellow'! Go figure!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Currently in Vail Valley, Colorado
2) What are your thoughts on Nogara blue (audi color) vs golf blue?
3) I wanted a PTS blue that is bordering on purple, and more royal blue and royal purple than darker, but special enough to be more different from sapphire than Nogara, which looks close to sapphire for me. I really like San Marino blue from BMW, but it is not approved. https://www.google.de/search?tbm=isc...TKN4r2aIfWuuAM Any suggestions?
Eduardo, 3 questions for you since I value your opinion very much:
What about the opinion of the two other guys I suggested you contact?
Are they chopped liver?
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Originally Posted by sirtom
1) Are there any nice purples that aren't too light (like viola purple metallic)
or too dark (like viola metallic)? I like (BMW Daytona Violet) :
I am not too familiar with the 'purple/violet' metallic colors. You have
a limited choice at PAG at the present via PTS. From a quick review,
I see the following:
You will need to contact Porsche
to provide color samples of the
more obscure hues from the
above list!
***
Originally Posted by sirtom
2) What are your thoughts on Nogara blue (audi color) vs golf blue?
I like 'Nogaro Blue' quite a bit. It's now approved for PTS by PAG.
But it's categorized as a metallic at PAG so I would rather have
a solid/uni color like 'Golf Blue'. But I must tell you that I have
not seen yet with my own eyes an Audi 'Mica' color like 'Nogaro
Blue Pearl Effect' done by Porsche. Audi does their 'Pearl' colors
with very small 'Mica' flakes instead of normal metallic flakes.
And Audi's resulting 'Pearl-Effect' colors almost look like a solid/uni,
but with a 'pearlescent' look! In my eyes, the closest standard
color at Porsche today that reminds me of Audi's 'Pearl-Effect is
what they call 'Graphite Blue Metallic'. You can only detect the
metal (or mica) flakes if you get real close to the paint's surface!
If Porsche duplicates the look of 'Nogaro Blue Pearl-Effect' in its
PTS version, it might change my mind!
***
Originally Posted by sirtom
3) I wanted a PTS blue that is bordering on purple, and more
royal blue and royal purple than darker, but special enough to be more
different from sapphire than Nogara, which looks close to sapphire for
me. I really like San Marino blue from BMW, but it is not approved.
Any suggestions?
Yes, 'Maritime'! That is just my personal recommendation.
***
Not asked by you but wanted to tell forum that BMW's
'Estoril Blue Metallic' is currently approved for PTS at
PAG for 991/718. It is color code 3E5.
******
Now, I have a question for you sirtom!
Where is the .1 991 gt3 RS with this rare interior located?
Who does it belong to & how was he/she able to get that
interior (which was CXX for just a few VIPs on this model)?
What about the opinion of the two other guys I suggested you contact?
Are they chopped liver?
I am not too familiar with the 'purple/violet' metallic colors. You have
a limited choice at PAG at the present via PTS. From a quick review,
I see the following:
You will need to contact Porsche
to provide color samples of the
more obscure hues from the
above list!
***
I like 'Nogaro Blue' quite a bit. It's now approved for PTS by PAG.
But it's categorized as a metallic at PAG so I would rather have
a solid/uni color like 'Golf Blue'. But I must tell you that I have
not seen yet with my own eyes an Audi 'Mica' color like 'Nogaro
Blue Pearl Effect' done by Porsche. Audi does their 'Pearl' colors
with very small 'Mica' flakes instead of normal metallic flakes.
And Audi's resulting 'Pearl-Effect' colors almost look like a solid/uni,
but with a 'pearlescent' look! In my eyes, the closest standard
color at Porsche today that reminds me of Audi's 'Pearl-Effect is
what they call 'Graphite Blue Metallic'. You can only detect the
metal (or mica) flakes if you get real close to the paint's surface!
If Porsche duplicates the look of 'Nogaro Blue Pearl-Effect' in its
PTS version, it might change my mind!
***
Yes, 'Maritime'! That is just my personal recommendation.
***
Not asked by you but wanted to tell forum that BMW's
'Estoril Blue Metallic' is currently approved for PTS at
PAG for 991/718. It is color code 3E5.
******
Now, I have a question for you sirtom!
Where is the .1 991 gt3 RS with this rare interior located?
Who does it belong to & how was he/she able to get that
interior (which was CXX for just a few VIPs on this model)?
Saludos,
Eduardo
Vail, CO
Hi Eduardo,
The other opinions are all valuable too, but I especially appreciate how detail oriented you are! Thank you very much for your detailed and thoughtful response.
I'd love to hear other opinions as well, and posted on a thread started by a Nogara blue owner to see what he thinks.
I came to the exact same conclusions on the violet range, and glad to see you validate it with similar thinking. Out of those, I almost like viola purple metallic. It's close to what I want, but it's not the right shade of purple IMO. It's a good direction but maybe a different shade of purple would speak to me more.
Midnight Purple Pearl might have been my choice if it was Midnight Purple II from the 1999 R34 Nissan GT-R (full story here: http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...dition-purple/ ). But when I called Porsche Exclusive yesterday (they were extremely helpful and informative), they told me it's the Acura NSX version of Midnight Purple. which is unfortunately more black than I want. The R34 Nissan color is particularly special.
Maritime does indeed meet my criteria I wrote, but I personally found the shade a bit too feminine when I saw it on a base 911. I think you could get away with it on a more aggressive model like a GT3 or GT3 RS, but it's still not exactly what I'm looking for, I suppose I prefer a shade that's a bit darker with a bit more blue mixed in.
Thank you for your feedback about the pearl in Audi, I didn't know that! I have asked the owner of the Nogara 911 on this forum for his opinion on it.
To answer your Q, the RS you referred to is in Atlanta, owned by a lucky guy who asked if he could order his favorite classic interior combo once he found out that exterior PTS wasn't possible on later build cars. CXX interior options were available to all RS orders as far as I know but perhaps dealers didn't advertise it heavily. I'm not in the 918 VIP program, but I love GT3s and keep hopeful to stay on the list for future models to put them to proper use! I feel very fortunate for the GT cars I've been lucky enough to have as they are my favorite driving machines. The R&D and fanaticism to detail you get for the money makes the GT3 and GT4 the best values of the entire Porsche lineup, and a real connected machine to the track like nothing else for sale today. Next 9k RPMs is coming soon with a manual... wow - it's what I dreamed of since my S2000 days. I am ecstatic they are making it and hopeful for the future chance to drive one. I don't see how the 992 can possibly top this.
Last edited by sirtom; 07-20-2017 at 09:03 PM.
Reason: Nogaro not Nogara! Oops
Hey Eduardo. This thread has been awesome to read. Another question for you. If you're trying to get a PTS for the .2 GT3, will the top 5 dealerships in the US have more PTS allocations available than other dealerships?
Hi Eduardo...To answer your Q, the RS you referred to is in Atlanta,
owned by a lucky guy who asked if he could order his favorite classic
interior combo once he found out that exterior PTS wasn't possible
on later build cars. CXX interior options were available to all RS orders
as far as I know but perhaps dealers didn't advertise it heavily!
Tom:
Congratulations on that beautiful & unique .1 991 gt3 RS interior.
No, 'Porsche Exclusive' did not explained to our market (or frankly
in any ROW market to my knowledge) that these CXX deviated
interior options (e.g. Bordeaux leather) were readily available on
the .1 991 gt3 RS to anyone simply by just requesting them &
paying extra for it. Otherwise, you would see many more examples
of it here in the US, Europe & Middle East!
If you ever decide to allow us to see more photos of your interior,
please contact me & I will help facilitate that for you so that others
can admire what you were able to order on your .1 991 gt3 RS!
Hey Eduardo. This thread has been awesome to read.
Thanks...but I am trying to go on 'sabbatical' & hand
over the job to someone else!
Originally Posted by hayn911gt3
Another question for you. If you're trying to get a PTS
for the .2 GT3, will the top 5 dealerships in the US have
more PTS allocations available than other dealerships?
PTS slot allocations remain a big mystery at Porsche.
Just recently we saw how PAG handled PTS slots for
the Limited Edition 911R & it left us with more questions
than answers! In that instance, you can make the case
that all customers that ended up purchasing a 911R from
PAG were VIPs of some sort or another. In Europe, the
owners included Porsche/Piëch family members, royalty,
sport heroes & extremely wealthy customers. In the US,
the 200+ allocations were swallowed almost entirely by
the 918 VIP program members, with a few trickled down
to non-918 folks like C.J. Wilson & Rennlist's 'Suitcase'.
Regardless, they are all very special Porsche customers.
Yet for this group of elite buyers, PAG only allocated
between 50 & 100 PTS slots. And they were distributed
very unevenly. A few of the 'usual suspects' - e.g. Jerry
Seinfeld & Graham Rahal - ended up with PTS. But many
of the coveted PTS slots were given to virtual unknowns,
albeit wealthy 'nobody's'! And what I mean is that some
of these PTS 911R customers that were neither famous nor
titans of industry. I know personally of several PTS 911R
owners both in Europe & the US that to this day do not
really know why they were picked for PTS! So there is a
bit of an unknown & somewhat arbitrary nature to PTS at
Porsche even when talking about their most exclusive /
VIP customers!
Which brings us to your question:
'Will the top 5 dealerships in the US have more
PTS allocations available than other dealerships?'.
What we do know is that PCNA has just requested input
from each US dealer as to what customer wants PTS on
the .2 991 gt3. But PAG has not yet opened the PTS window
on this model nor communicated yet how many PTS slots
they will allow on this model. So what is PCNA going to do
with these PTS requests once received in Atlanta?
Big mystery...
If I was Klaus Zellmer, President and Chief Executive
Officer Porsche Cars North America, Inc., I would take
that list to Zuffenhausen & convince the Board that
PAG should produced more PTS than the few slots that
are expected, if history is a guide. There is not technical
reason why PTS can not be expanded at PAG. But I am
not Klaus & I don't know if PCNA cares enough about
PTS enthusiast to fight that battle for us!
The more likely use for compiling that list of PTS requests
is to have an idea of the total number of customers asking
for PTS and to prioritize who should be in what order on
that list to hand out the prized slots! It could be decided
in one of several ways by selecting:
1) Most loyal customers of Porsche in the past that have
bought a long list of P-cars over many, many years!
2) The forever-coddled 918 VIP Program members!
3) Distributed among the dealers that sell the most Macans,
Cayennes & Panameras...in other words, the truly valuable
dealers to PCNA! And let these p-dealers sell their allocated
PTS .2 991 gt3 slots to the highest bidder over MSRP!
4) A lottery where EVERY customer has an equal & fair chance
of being selected for the few PTS spots expected to be allocated
to our market by PAG! And the winner of these slots get to buy
at MSRP!
I have no idea what PCNA will decide to do with the allocation
of the few PTS slots that PAG will assign to our market. But if
asked, I would recommend going with #1 or #4! Either one
would a better (& fairer) solution to the 'problem' than the
one I am afraid we will get!
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But hayn911gt3, I think you are wasting your time asking me
this question when we have cadre of experts here on Rennlist
that know much more than me on this subject! Ask C.J. Wilson,
Chaosoul, Sccchiii, Whoopsy & Unotaz and see what they have
to say.
so PTS is like butt sex from your wife, you know other people got it, but she wont give it to you unless you jump through some hoops, no she wont tell you what they are, its just because, and even if you do everything right and are the most loyal customer, she may not give it to you even though there is no real reason not to. In the end everyone just feels mad.
so PTS is like butt sex from your wife, you know other people got it, but she wont give it to you unless you jump through some hoops, no she wont tell you what they are, its just because, and even if you do everything right and are the most loyal customer, she may not give it to you even though there is no real reason not to. In the end everyone just feels mad.
Yea, and you'll always wonder why the other guy got it when you didn't.. what was so special about him anyway? (And your friends won't tell you either so as not to hurt your feelings)
07-19-2017, 09:09 AM
