GT3 or GT4?
05-06-2015, 06:10 PM
#61
05-06-2015, 07:03 PM
#62
I prefer the look of gt3 over gt4! And don't forget you can buy a gt3 right away. Not so much for the gt4 if you didn't sign up a long time ago.
I would go for the gt3. If you get bored with the PDK after 10 track days you can sell it and buy your MT gt4.
I would go for the gt3. If you get bored with the PDK after 10 track days you can sell it and buy your MT gt4.
05-06-2015, 07:05 PM
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The smaller dimensions and lighter weight are definite positives, and I too admit I'm skeptical of the center locks given the hassle.
If the GT3 is really 10x the car of the M3 I'm sold... would love to drive both first but that is almost impossible. I'm with you on the engine.. how long before 9000 RPM internal combustion is no longer available and it's replaced by elector motors?
Are you adding the GT4 and a GT3, or just prefer the GT4 due to value?
This is a god thought too.. try the mini me first and then make the jump.
Yeah, I miss having a manual at times myself, but I'm not sure I would want a manual GT3 with those gear ratios. The GT4 seems geared tall enough to make it feasible to shift.
Aha! I knew there had to be others considering both.
Unfortunately the Z06 is not as robust as the ZR1, at least mine wasnt. Should have been a great car on paper, but I'm so relieved to be done with it!
Who knows when or if I will get allocations, but trying both is a good idea. Likely would just be out the taxes on one, but I fear I would want to keep both!
Have you driven a 991 gt3? Curious how it compares to the ZR1.
If the GT3 is really 10x the car of the M3 I'm sold... would love to drive both first but that is almost impossible. I'm with you on the engine.. how long before 9000 RPM internal combustion is no longer available and it's replaced by elector motors?
Are you adding the GT4 and a GT3, or just prefer the GT4 due to value?
This is a god thought too.. try the mini me first and then make the jump.
Yeah, I miss having a manual at times myself, but I'm not sure I would want a manual GT3 with those gear ratios. The GT4 seems geared tall enough to make it feasible to shift.
Aha! I knew there had to be others considering both.
Unfortunately the Z06 is not as robust as the ZR1, at least mine wasnt. Should have been a great car on paper, but I'm so relieved to be done with it!
Who knows when or if I will get allocations, but trying both is a good idea. Likely would just be out the taxes on one, but I fear I would want to keep both!
Have you driven a 991 gt3? Curious how it compares to the ZR1.
05-06-2015, 08:00 PM
#64
Three Wheelin'
The smaller dimensions and lighter weight are definite positives, and I too admit I'm skeptical of the center locks given the hassle.
Aha! I knew there had to be others considering both.
Unfortunately the Z06 is not as robust as the ZR1, at least mine wasnt. Should have been a great car on paper, but I'm so relieved to be done with it!
Who knows when or if I will get allocations, but trying both is a good idea. Likely would just be out the taxes on one, but I fear I would want to keep both!
Have you driven a 991 gt3? Curious how it compares to the ZR1.
Aha! I knew there had to be others considering both.
Unfortunately the Z06 is not as robust as the ZR1, at least mine wasnt. Should have been a great car on paper, but I'm so relieved to be done with it!
Who knows when or if I will get allocations, but trying both is a good idea. Likely would just be out the taxes on one, but I fear I would want to keep both!
Have you driven a 991 gt3? Curious how it compares to the ZR1.
I have both....get the GT3
05-06-2015, 11:39 PM
#65
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[QUOTE=kfmcmahon;12262502]I have both....get the GT3
No arguement there, just curious if you could add some more color on the differences for those of us who haven't driven the GT3 but have driven a zr1.
No arguement there, just curious if you could add some more color on the differences for those of us who haven't driven the GT3 but have driven a zr1.
05-07-2015, 10:06 AM
#67
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This was a tough one for me as both cars bring their own unique attributes to the table. Hence why I am getting both. Already have the GT3 and love it, looking like Sept. I will have the GT4. Once I have both, I will share my thoughts on both.
My only issue is a will have to get rid of my 996 GT3 to make room for the GT4. I am struggling with this as it is the RAW more involved driving experience that I like most. I only hope the GT4 will bring enough of this to satisfy me. As someone said earlier, I am not looking to "win" any DE's. It's the driving experience that I enjoy most. I only hope the GT4 can bring some of this "involvement" along. As I am getting older, I am more open to the new car refinement, but still want some of that RAW driving mixed in with the refinement. I believe the GT4 might just be that the car to pull it off. Time will tell
My only issue is a will have to get rid of my 996 GT3 to make room for the GT4. I am struggling with this as it is the RAW more involved driving experience that I like most. I only hope the GT4 will bring enough of this to satisfy me. As someone said earlier, I am not looking to "win" any DE's. It's the driving experience that I enjoy most. I only hope the GT4 can bring some of this "involvement" along. As I am getting older, I am more open to the new car refinement, but still want some of that RAW driving mixed in with the refinement. I believe the GT4 might just be that the car to pull it off. Time will tell
05-07-2015, 10:34 AM
#68
Regarding the 1GT3's 9A1, here is an excerpt from Chris Harris' review of the GT4:
It isn’t perfect – the long gearing is too much on the circuit as well. This is a double shame because you don’t get to enjoy that delicious shift action as often as you’d like! The steering is too mute and you are always aware that this is a ‘normal’ engine and not a motorsport special like the crazy 9k motor in the GT3. And this is where we have to remember how tricky the role of the GT4 is within Porsche’s model range. It somehow needs to be the car we’ve always wanted the Cayman to be, but it simply must not tread on the GT3’s toes.
Given the disparate nature of those requirements I think Porsche has done a superb job, but – and here’s the rub – I wouldn’t sell my 991 GT3 to own a GT4 unless I was absolutely obsessed with the manual gear change. The bigger car’s engine is on a completely different level, and it offers more options to play with lines and angles at speed on a circuit. And it is way, way quicker and more aggressive.
It isn’t perfect – the long gearing is too much on the circuit as well. This is a double shame because you don’t get to enjoy that delicious shift action as often as you’d like! The steering is too mute and you are always aware that this is a ‘normal’ engine and not a motorsport special like the crazy 9k motor in the GT3. And this is where we have to remember how tricky the role of the GT4 is within Porsche’s model range. It somehow needs to be the car we’ve always wanted the Cayman to be, but it simply must not tread on the GT3’s toes.
Given the disparate nature of those requirements I think Porsche has done a superb job, but – and here’s the rub – I wouldn’t sell my 991 GT3 to own a GT4 unless I was absolutely obsessed with the manual gear change. The bigger car’s engine is on a completely different level, and it offers more options to play with lines and angles at speed on a circuit. And it is way, way quicker and more aggressive.
05-07-2015, 10:48 AM
#69
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Yes what Chris Harris said is true and thus the reason Porsche has priced the 4 $45K cheaper than a gt3. Lets not forget this. We can compare the two all day long but they are not the same. Will there times be close on most circuits? Yes. These cars just can't be compared with only lap times taken into account. The bottom line is they are both great cars and you aren't going to be wrong choosing either. Too many people thing the "faster" car is always the better choice i.e. Lambo drivers. That ones just for you ATXGT3 
I will also admit that I am looking at these cars as weekend/fun cars and not as a track person therefore PDK-s doesn't really mean much to me. I have PDK in my 4s right now and while nice for daily driving its quite boring even when shifting it myself in manual mode.
I will also admit that I am looking at these cars as weekend/fun cars and not as a track person therefore PDK-s doesn't really mean much to me. I have PDK in my 4s right now and while nice for daily driving its quite boring even when shifting it myself in manual mode.
05-07-2015, 11:03 AM
#70
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This was a tough one for me as both cars bring their own unique attributes to the table. Hence why I am getting both. Already have the GT3 and love it, looking like Sept. I will have the GT4. Once I have both, I will share my thoughts on both.
My only issue is a will have to get rid of my 996 GT3 to make room for the GT4. I am struggling with this as it is the RAW more involved driving experience that I like most. I only hope the GT4 will bring enough of this to satisfy me. As someone said earlier, I am not looking to "win" any DE's. It's the driving experience that I enjoy most. I only hope the GT4 can bring some of this "involvement" along. As I am getting older, I am more open to the new car refinement, but still want some of that RAW driving mixed in with the refinement. I believe the GT4 might just be that the car to pull it off. Time will tell
My only issue is a will have to get rid of my 996 GT3 to make room for the GT4. I am struggling with this as it is the RAW more involved driving experience that I like most. I only hope the GT4 will bring enough of this to satisfy me. As someone said earlier, I am not looking to "win" any DE's. It's the driving experience that I enjoy most. I only hope the GT4 can bring some of this "involvement" along. As I am getting older, I am more open to the new car refinement, but still want some of that RAW driving mixed in with the refinement. I believe the GT4 might just be that the car to pull it off. Time will tell
Regarding the 1GT3's 9A1, here is an excerpt from Chris Harris' review of the GT4:
It isn’t perfect – the long gearing is too much on the circuit as well. This is a double shame because you don’t get to enjoy that delicious shift action as often as you’d like! The steering is too mute and you are always aware that this is a ‘normal’ engine and not a motorsport special like the crazy 9k motor in the GT3. And this is where we have to remember how tricky the role of the GT4 is within Porsche’s model range. It somehow needs to be the car we’ve always wanted the Cayman to be, but it simply must not tread on the GT3’s toes.
Given the disparate nature of those requirements I think Porsche has done a superb job, but – and here’s the rub – I wouldn’t sell my 991 GT3 to own a GT4 unless I was absolutely obsessed with the manual gear change. The bigger car’s engine is on a completely different level, and it offers more options to play with lines and angles at speed on a circuit. And it is way, way quicker and more aggressive.
It isn’t perfect – the long gearing is too much on the circuit as well. This is a double shame because you don’t get to enjoy that delicious shift action as often as you’d like! The steering is too mute and you are always aware that this is a ‘normal’ engine and not a motorsport special like the crazy 9k motor in the GT3. And this is where we have to remember how tricky the role of the GT4 is within Porsche’s model range. It somehow needs to be the car we’ve always wanted the Cayman to be, but it simply must not tread on the GT3’s toes.
Given the disparate nature of those requirements I think Porsche has done a superb job, but – and here’s the rub – I wouldn’t sell my 991 GT3 to own a GT4 unless I was absolutely obsessed with the manual gear change. The bigger car’s engine is on a completely different level, and it offers more options to play with lines and angles at speed on a circuit. And it is way, way quicker and more aggressive.
Yes what Chris Harris said is true and thus the reason Porsche has priced the 4 $45K cheaper than a gt3. Lets not forget this. We can compare the two all day long but they are not the same. Will there times be close on most circuits? Yes. These cars just can't be compared with only lap times taken into account. The bottom line is they are both great cars and you aren't going to be wrong choosing either. Too many people thing the "faster" car is always the better choice i.e. Lambo drivers. That ones just for you ATXGT3 I will also admit that I am looking at these cars as weekend/fun cars and not as a track person therefore PDK-s doesn't really mean much to me. I have PDK in my 4s right now and while nice for daily driving its quite boring even when shifting it myself in manual mode.
I will also admit that I am looking at these cars as weekend/fun cars and not as a track person therefore PDK-s doesn't really mean much to me. I have PDK in my 4s right now and while nice for daily driving its quite boring even when shifting it myself in manual mode.
05-07-2015, 11:15 AM
#71
Yes what Chris Harris said is true and thus the reason Porsche has priced the 4 $45K cheaper than a gt3. Lets not forget this. We can compare the two all day long but they are not the same. Will there times be close on most circuits? Yes. These cars just can't be compared with only lap times taken into account. The bottom line is they are both great cars and you aren't going to be wrong choosing either. Too many people thing the "faster" car is always the better choice i.e. Lambo drivers. That ones just for you ATXGT3 I will also admit that I am looking at these cars as weekend/fun cars and not as a track person therefore PDK-s doesn't really mean much to me. I have PDK in my 4s right now and while nice for daily driving its quite boring even when shifting it myself in manual mode.
I will also admit that I am looking at these cars as weekend/fun cars and not as a track person therefore PDK-s doesn't really mean much to me. I have PDK in my 4s right now and while nice for daily driving its quite boring even when shifting it myself in manual mode.
05-07-2015, 11:28 AM
#72
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Late to the game on GT4 at local dealer and pretty far down the current list. Was offered a sure thing on a 16 GT3 and turned it down for following reasons.
I don't like flappy paddles
I don't like CL wheels
GT4 reminds me of my 6GT3's in its specs but lighter, I don't mind an 80mph 2nd gear and running most tracks without needing 5th.
$45k delta is also a lot of consumables and track time
I will never be able to get the most out of any P car so the higher limits of the GT3 doesn't make me a better drover
Peter
I don't like flappy paddles
I don't like CL wheels
GT4 reminds me of my 6GT3's in its specs but lighter, I don't mind an 80mph 2nd gear and running most tracks without needing 5th.
$45k delta is also a lot of consumables and track time
I will never be able to get the most out of any P car so the higher limits of the GT3 doesn't make me a better drover
Peter
05-07-2015, 11:33 AM
#73
Getting a GT4 expected delivery first week September (have been on the list for almost 2 yrs)... dealer called and said rumblings about 2016 GT3s would you want one? Said yes of course so now I have a problem if this pans out.... GT4 and GT3 would be coming just about the same time and garage space will become an issue! Oh well YOLO
05-07-2015, 03:49 PM
#74
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Yes what Chris Harris said is true and thus the reason Porsche has priced the 4 $45K cheaper than a gt3. Lets not forget this. We can compare the two all day long but they are not the same. Will there times be close on most circuits? Yes. These cars just can't be compared with only lap times taken into account. The bottom line is they are both great cars and you aren't going to be wrong choosing either. Too many people thing the "faster" car is always the better choice i.e. Lambo drivers. That ones just for you ATXGT3 I will also admit that I am looking at these cars as weekend/fun cars and not as a track person therefore PDK-s doesn't really mean much to me. I have PDK in my 4s right now and while nice for daily driving its quite boring even when shifting it myself in manual mode.
I will also admit that I am looking at these cars as weekend/fun cars and not as a track person therefore PDK-s doesn't really mean much to me. I have PDK in my 4s right now and while nice for daily driving its quite boring even when shifting it myself in manual mode.