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plasticsdoc 03-31-2015 11:33 PM

I have a commission number for september build. It is my understanding and I believe numbers that the total number is 700 all in. There will be no more allocations. 266 to 918 owners. between 240-245 for dealers and 105 that have been given already to the dealers by PCNA. See the post from Rdeacon he is correct.

rockitman 03-31-2015 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by bronson7 (Post 12167637)
I see you have a NY plate, if my old eyes are correct? Where abouts?

Saratoga Springs, NY...40 minutes north of Albany.

TRAKCAR 04-01-2015 12:05 AM

They sold 918 million dollar cars.
They're gong to sell more RS, maybe not in 2015 but they will.

ghostryder 04-01-2015 12:50 AM

My dealer just told me to F off. He is not giving me my allocation. I gave a deposit of 5000 grand 7 months ago. I was 1st on the list and have a letter stating that. He still told me too bad.

I sent a letter via attorney, but what are my options at this point.

poofyo101 04-01-2015 12:56 AM


Originally Posted by NateOZ (Post 12167618)
500 works out to 2.5 average per dealer (at 200 dealers). The lowest number I've heard from a dealer was 2 and there are a number of people on here posting 5+, but some also posting 1 so it seems likely to me that 500 were handed out.

Some people on here have multiple orders and I'm sure there are many others in the market. 500 doesn't go far, who knows if there will be more - but clearly the market demand is still there.

Out of all the dealers within 200 miles of me...
The one that got the most received 2.
Some of them received 1.
Some of them did not receive any yet.

Texas RS 04-01-2015 01:02 AM


Originally Posted by TRAKCAR (Post 12168034)
They sold 918 million dollar cars.
They're gong to sell more RS, maybe not in 2015 but they will.

Trakcar,

You have always been bullish on RS builds, I hope you are correct, but what gives you this confidence? They did only build 600 4.0s.

JCBH 04-01-2015 01:11 AM


Originally Posted by NateOZ (Post 12167501)
Seems to be roughly 20 to 25 people at V200 in the US on RL - pretty low considering it was 700+ allocations so far. I suspect some are ordered for stock at the moment vs customer orders.

I have a confirmed order, September build. My dealer got 10 allocations first round - I am number 2.

aznkuja328 04-01-2015 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by ghostryder (Post 12168150)
My dealer just told me to F off. He is not giving me my allocation. I gave a deposit of 5000 grand 7 months ago. I was 1st on the list and have a letter stating that. He still told me too bad. I sent a letter via attorney, but what are my options at this point.

where is your dealer located?

usctrojanGT3 04-01-2015 02:49 AM


Originally Posted by ghostryder (Post 12168150)
My dealer just told me to F off. He is not giving me my allocation. I gave a deposit of 5000 grand 7 months ago. I was 1st on the list and have a letter stating that. He still told me too bad.

I sent a letter via attorney, but what are my options at this point.

Wow, lovely...please provide the name of the dealer so we can all make a point to avoid them. :grr:

usctrojanGT3 04-01-2015 02:50 AM


Originally Posted by TRAKCAR (Post 12168034)
They sold 918 million dollar cars.
They're gong to sell more RS, maybe not in 2015 but they will.

Good point, if they sold 918 918s then they will surely sell more than 918 RSs. :roflmao:

bronson7 04-01-2015 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by ghostryder (Post 12168150)
My dealer just told me to F off. He is not giving me my allocation. I gave a deposit of 5000 grand 7 months ago. I was 1st on the list and have a letter stating that. He still told me too bad.

I sent a letter via attorney, but what are my options at this point.


If that is how they treated you, I would definitely be calling PCNA and filling them in with what you just went through. Tell them you demand some sort of action, with no not being an option. Good luck.

NateOZ 04-01-2015 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by TRAKCAR (Post 12168034)
They sold 918 million dollar cars.
They're gong to sell more RS, maybe not in 2015 but they will.

The 725 number is just the US - so implies probably 1900ish globally. I would be surprised if they stayed under 2,000 worldwide. But you never know.

The 1900 number is assuming 500 non 918 cars in the US, assume another 500 RoW and 900 orders from 918 customers.

NateOZ 04-01-2015 09:51 AM

I took another look at some of the public PAG and PCNA numbers while on the train this morning. So another cut at the global numbers, which actually makes it look worse is:

2014 Total 911 Sales: 30,500 (Announced at above 30,000, other numbers in the same PR are rounded to the nearest 1,000 so this should be about right).
2014 US 911/918 sales: 10,529

US 911 sales as a % of Global: 10,529 / 30,500 = 34.5%

Total implied Global Allocations assuming 500 US: 500/0.345 = 1448

US 918 Customer takeup: 225/266 = 84.6%

Total Global 918 Customer Orders: 918 * 84.6% = 776

Total Potential Allocations so far = 776 + 1448 = 2,224

Assumes that the US customer 918 behavior is the same as other markets and assumes that the allocation method as widely reported is number of 911 sales.

I still think that:
1) PAG will send additional allocations to whichever markets appear to have additional demand; and
2) A number of US dealers are still sitting on allocations trying to sell them at premiums, which is hurting point 1 above.

sccchiii 04-01-2015 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by ghostryder (Post 12168150)
My dealer just told me to F off. He is not giving me my allocation. I gave a deposit of 5000 grand 7 months ago. I was 1st on the list and have a letter stating that. He still told me too bad.

I sent a letter via attorney, but what are my options at this point.

Who told you and how did you confirm your deposit position? Do you have your deposit position for RS in writing or agreement that states that and did that give you the right to that position? Unfortunately you will find it is wasted money to pursue to any great legal lengths. Most likely all things you signed (if you signed docs other than deposit?) are worded to state that dealer makes no promise of a deal because you don't have a car built. My suggestions, have a letter sent (done), call PCNA, make some verbal waves but beyond that it is a wasted resources to continue to fight a losing battle. Maybe film a YouTube video of your circumstances of story with the docs and what happened to cause cancelation see if it raises any eyebrows at dealership to get any response....this is a last resort way and I wouldn't go that route out of gate but if what you say is true and they just pulled plug with no detailed explanation (and indeed you were high on list and they have allocations to provide your position a car?) then it's certainly not right but there are always 2 sides to every story as they say.

997rs4.0 04-01-2015 10:17 AM

Has anyone been given a reason why this RS is going to be produced in smaller numbers than the market demands?

I understand that we as buyers want to keep production numbers low so the car depreciates less, but the facts are against it!

1. The 991gt3 sold in great numbers. It's a great car and with the PDK it's more of a DD than previous gen.

2. My guess is that the 1RS will be a beast on track but still very good and comfortable on street. Very luxurious interior, PDK and high ride hight.

3. The economic climate is massively improved compared to when the 997rs was on sale.

The things that might hurt sales for the 991rs is as I can see it!

1. Paint issues. If I can't get a $200k in a color I like why spend the money? Personally I don't compromise when it comes to these kind of purchases.

Please add to the list.


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