Gnil

I don't know if any of these rumors about a 2 nd batch are true and where they come from ? Can any one confirm that the dealers have been told about a 2 nd batch ?

I spoke twice to my dealer yesterday, mentioning this rumor . He said all allocations have been done . Porsche has already received all the ' deserved' orders and has now sent back the allocation numbers . My dealer will get 12 . And he says he was told that there will be no cars built after December . The facelift Carrera is coming etc....
He was very disappointed and told me hw does not know how he will handle that with all his other clients waiting for one .

So there seems to be two very opposite rumors .......

usctrojanGT3

Yeah, ok. Since when does Porsche give a crap about if owners will have cars that will maintain value? They are a money making business. They'll make as many RSs and GT4s as the market will bare to extract max profit. If you don't believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

usctrojanGT3

You bring up a very, very interesting thought....what's the lease residual on the GT3 or even an RS? If the production is going to be limited where they believe that the market will remain hot then there should be very little depreciation in the lease residuals for an RS. Very curious to see if anyone has found out what the lease cost for an RS would be.

usctrojanGT3

+991...they sure sold a lot of 991 GT3s even with the engine issues and a stop sale. Good thing my car is optioned with a fire extinguisher.

ScottKelly911

Sounds to me like you are not the intended audience of the GT3 or the GT3RS. Neither car is designed for it's rarity and exclusivity. Rather, they are designed for their performance as a road car combined with their prowess on the track. They will build as many as they can find people to willing to cross the intersection of Deep Pockets Blvd and Demand Ave. If you want guaranteed exclusivity, then you should be buying a finite numbered car such as CGT - 1260, 997 GT2RS - 500, 997 GT3RS 4.0 - 600, 918 Spyder - 918 or wait for the 991 GT3RS special edition (4.2?) if/when it comes out. The GT3/RS was designed not to be a halo car, but to be a car used for homologating parts of the road car for use in their Motorsport program. Sadly, when the cars reach such high price points, the types of buyers change as well and many of these people who are now attracted to the car, nolonger really care about the historic significance of why these cars exist to begin with. Instead, they're more worried about exclusivity. There's nothing wrong with wanting exclusivity, you're just barking up the wrong tree in demanding/expecting it in a car that wasn't designed with it in mind. The exclusivity that has become synonymous with the GT3 and GT3RS is more of a byproduct of it's price level and motorsport intersections rather than by design such as the 918's exclusivity thru a finite production number. I will say that it's very interesting for me as a LONGTIME Porsche enthusiast to witness before my very eyes the changing (evolving?) demographics in which certain models are being purchased, especially the GT3/RS.

This I agree with, it's called the GT3RS The Turbo was always their Halo car for "ultimate" Performance and Luxury. This is definitely changing as the GT3/RS becomes just as luxurious through options and less about actual homologation as I described above.

NAIL ON THE FREAKING HEAD!

Again, I say, the exclusivity is a byproduct of the high entry point and the demand for it. Not to say that Porsche isn't acknowledging it, but I think it's more through the dealer networks that want this exclusivity to be perceived. That way people are lining up to put deposits down before the car is even announced, ie. how many people have deposits down on a 960 despite that a dealer technically cannot take a deposit on a car that doesn't exist, even though AP himself has not verified that it will indeed get produced (We all know AP, as much as anyone else, wants FEFI to happen and it will )
Honestly, because of the Stop Sale, it wouldn't surprise me if there is a very short MY 2017 production run of the 991.1 GT3RS much in the same way as the 997.1 GT3RS was produced in 2008 in small numbers and again with the small numbers of 2011 997.2 GT3RS's that were produced. There is already a precedent that has been set of producing the newer model/facelift at the same time as the outgoing model. Example, in 1989, the ALL NEW 3.6 liter, All new non torsion bar suspension, all wheel drive 964 Carrera 4 was built simultaneously with the previous generation outgoing G50 3.2 liter Carrera's. In 1998 Porsche was still producing the 993 for the United States, while the ROW cars were the entirely new chassis, water-cooled 996's (US got the 996 in 1999). Even as recently as 2005, Porsche was still building the 996.2 GT3's and 996 Turbo's while the standard Carrera and Carrera S models were now the new 997.1 cars. Take what your dealer said with a grain of salt as many times, the dealers themselves are less informed than many of the knowledgeable people here on RL who may have "close ties" to Porsche insiders or have at least have observed from afar Porsche's tendencies over a long period of time.

sccchiii

I respectfully disagree....while certainly closer than last generation in terms of "luxurious" (thats not really the term I would use to describe a GT3) the GT3 isn't close to the Turbo lineup and Turbo is still marketed as the flagship 911...not sure if you have been in a 991 TTS but its quite a bit more luxurious (no tranny noises, engine not as loud, smoother shifting, etc, etc) than even a regular GT3 and RS, forget about it.....

Dealers take deposits all the time for cars that don't officially exist....my dealer had 8 deposits on GT4 6 months before Porsche said a word about car.

I also am not sure about this as a numbers comparison, it was a different economy back then and a different time for Porsche with regard to manufacturing...don't believe this had anything to do with purposeful reduction in production after the last model but simply a slightly dried up sports car market for Porsche. Not sure about you but 2008 was not a fun financial year for me or my businesses.

bronson7

As we don't yet know the final production number of 991 GT3's built, I wonder if PAG will meet it's target number or if there was no stop sale, do you think the final numbers would be much, much higher?

shapiroeric

I think the numbers would have been the same....they just had to ramp up production to make up for the engine issues.....

sccchiii

Agreed...they found additional capacity for "catch up" production in 4th quarter of last year....and more "bonus/reward" allocations popped up in January of this year although dealers had to spec those last builds with a very tight timeline. I believe when the smoke clears they will have gotten to the numbers they had planned to produce from pre stop sale production plan.

NateOZ

I'm hearing the same thing from two dealer principals that it is done. My friend even got a call from his dealer GM asking if he would sell back his slot as they had another customer willing to buy it off him. Nothing in it for the dealer, my friend would get the fee.

Tacet-Conundrum

That is great, even asking this question in the first place means that they are still planning the capacity. Though that doesn't mean that some of you will have to wait an extra model year.

If Porsche is worried about this then they better figure out quick if the 960 will be limited or not.

sccchiii

Be patient.... I promise they are coming over next couple months

NateOZ

One big unknown is the switch to Turbos across the 911 line - we don't know what changed to the factory are required to make this happen and what capacity they can keep flowing Etc. Is it still the 9a1 architecture or something different? Is it just a facelift and 991.2 or 992 as rumored with larger changes that make running the RS past December possible?

I don't know the answer, but there is at least some logic to a December production end. It doesn't mean they won't still produce over 2,000 cars give the throughput we saw on the GT3 at the end but it could be a much shorter run.

lumber

The facelift carrera is coming.
Production for the rs stops in December.

djcxxx

Heard this before with the GT3, production stops December. In fact, it was the ordering that was supposed to stop in December but seems that was quite not right either since new allocations seemed to be popping up in 2015, not to mention 30 PTS cars that came out of nowhere. I'll live with my GT3 if I don't get an RS and be none the worse for it, but frankly all the talk about allocations for the RS being done rings hollow. The dealer information is utterly unreliable often because they are given conflicting information from Porsche.