Harris Monkey GT4 write up
03-09-2015, 12:05 PM
#16
Three Wheelin'
Well the notion of 'bespoke' is certainly in the eye of a beholder. The 991 GT3 engine is based on a 9A1, not raced (yet) like the Mezger, and so is the GT4's. Just different degrees of PAG Motorsport/GT team customization under AndiPrun, but both are certainly customized for their respective applications, just the GT3 moreso, being a $40-50K more expensive car, and it's need to be the flag-bearer 911 against Ferraris and that ilk. Correspondingly, the GT4's 9A1 is more 'ordinary'...
But by your logic neither have the PAG Motorsports pedigree, whatever that means. To me, the proof is in the driving, no less no more.
Cheers
But by your logic neither have the PAG Motorsports pedigree, whatever that means. To me, the proof is in the driving, no less no more.
Cheers
03-09-2015, 12:07 PM
#17
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Pretty fair assessment. It's going to be brilliant, and the new pictures of it in the real world actually make it look ever better. In this day and age of PDK everything, with bloated, fat cars.....this is about a "enthusiast" oriented as it gets, for a price which is quite refreshing, coming from Porsche.
Once the "race" version comes out, you'll then have some additional factory go fast parts to slap on for your track day special.
I don't need some motorsport-only engine to like a car, or respect it. Sure it helps, but for this segment, it works perfectly. If it was some bespoke engine, it would defeat the purpose of the car as an entry level position for it's GT and racing customers.
If anything, I want it even more.
Once the "race" version comes out, you'll then have some additional factory go fast parts to slap on for your track day special.
I don't need some motorsport-only engine to like a car, or respect it. Sure it helps, but for this segment, it works perfectly. If it was some bespoke engine, it would defeat the purpose of the car as an entry level position for it's GT and racing customers.
If anything, I want it even more.
03-09-2015, 12:58 PM
#18
Pretty fair assessment. It's going to be brilliant, and the new pictures of it in the real world actually make it look ever better. In this day and age of PDK everything, with bloated, fat cars.....this is about a "enthusiast" oriented as it gets, for a price which is quite refreshing, coming from Porsche.
Once the "race" version comes out, you'll then have some additional factory go fast parts to slap on for your track day special.
I don't need some motorsport-only engine to like a car, or respect it. Sure it helps, but for this segment, it works perfectly. If it was some bespoke engine, it would defeat the purpose of the car as an entry level position for it's GT and racing customers.
If anything, I want it even more.
Once the "race" version comes out, you'll then have some additional factory go fast parts to slap on for your track day special.
I don't need some motorsport-only engine to like a car, or respect it. Sure it helps, but for this segment, it works perfectly. If it was some bespoke engine, it would defeat the purpose of the car as an entry level position for it's GT and racing customers.
If anything, I want it even more.
Agree. The only thing - wish it had a dry sump
03-09-2015, 01:17 PM
#19
It was always my fear that there wouldn't be enough power and chassis to properly play with slip angles, and it sounds like this is largely the case. He got close by softening the front and stiffening the rear, but that's not the same thing. And "options to play with lines and angles" is exactly what I love about the 911. It doesn't talk me out of one, but it tempers my enthusiasm- I wish they'd addressed that. Shows why a manual GT4 is no replacement for a manual GT3.
03-09-2015, 01:27 PM
#20
Drifting
To some extent the GT4 enthusiasm was a continuation of the PDK vs MT debate with the GT4 carrying the banner of the "pure" sports car with its MT only configuration and Motorsports imprimatur. The GT4 is a worthy offering for a more track focused mid engine Porsche but w/o a bespoke Motorsport engine as in the GT3 and GT3 RS it cannot claim to be a true Motorsports car anymore than a Turbo look Carrera was a Turbo.
Well the notion of 'bespoke' is certainly in the eye of a beholder. The 991 GT3 engine is based on a 9A1, not raced (yet) like the Mezger, and so is the GT4's. Just different degrees of PAG Motorsport/GT team customization under AndiPrun, but both are certainly customized for their respective applications, just the GT3 moreso, being a $40-50K more expensive car, and it's need to be the flag-bearer 911 against Ferraris and that ilk. Correspondingly, the GT4's 9A1 is more 'ordinary'...
But by your logic neither have the PAG Motorsports pedigree, whatever that means. To me, the proof is in the driving, no less no more.
Cheers
But by your logic neither have the PAG Motorsports pedigree, whatever that means. To me, the proof is in the driving, no less no more.
Cheers
I can only assume they asked journalists not to; recall that he owned a 997.1 and then the 4.0 RS, so he's well-versed in all variants.
03-09-2015, 01:39 PM
#21
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It was always my fear that there wouldn't be enough power and chassis to properly play with slip angles, and it sounds like this is largely the case. He got close by softening the front and stiffening the rear, but that's not the same thing. And "options to play with lines and angles" is exactly what I love about the 911. It doesn't talk me out of one, but it tempers my enthusiasm- I wish they'd addressed that. Shows why a manual GT4 is no replacement for a manual GT3.
I'll try to add: Even if it does have enough power, its still different and less playful to me than a 911. As is every mid engine I think.
03-09-2015, 01:52 PM
#22
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The key word in that sentence is potential. Which, in his defense, is spot-on accurate.
03-09-2015, 01:56 PM
#24
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The 991 GT3's engine is neither bespoke NOR motorsports; instead, it is a hot-rodded 9A1 that is exclusive to the GT3 and RS. It is not, however, bespoke, and is certainly NOT motorsports, since no car with that engine has ever been in any race, anywhere. Unless maybe a street race counts...
What engines are bespoke? In the sense that a tailored suit is bespoke and made to fit your measurements, and only yours?
Heck, even guys like Pagani are taking off the shelf engines from AMG, tuning them, and plopping them in USD 1M+ cars, with the only bespoke quality being the color and leather interior combos (hat tip to Liberace).
03-09-2015, 02:21 PM
#25
Burning Brakes
03-09-2015, 02:24 PM
#26
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03-09-2015, 05:30 PM
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03-09-2015, 05:45 PM
#28
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Put 8k in track miles on that car and NEVER, I mean NEVER used that function. Although there wasnt an app for that in 210 - 12.
I have become one of those guys that can do "without the wart"
03-09-2015, 06:29 PM
#29
It was always my fear that there wouldn't be enough power and chassis to properly play with slip angles, and it sounds like this is largely the case. He got close by softening the front and stiffening the rear, but that's not the same thing. And "options to play with lines and angles" is exactly what I love about the 911. It doesn't talk me out of one, but it tempers my enthusiasm- I wish they'd addressed that. Shows why a manual GT4 is no replacement for a manual GT3.
