confirmation on GT3RS
02-22-2015, 02:16 PM
#151
Nordschleife Master
02-22-2015, 03:30 PM
#152
Wasn't this the case for someone at recently one of the CA dealers when they went to pick up their GT3?
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02-22-2015, 04:09 PM
#153
Re: PTS & Interior Deviating Stitching Color Choices on the 991 gt3 RS
But regardless, if anyone is interested in my 'amateur' take on this subject, you can read it here at post #4817:
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...hread-322.html
If anyone is interested in my take on the possible 991 gt3 RS interior choices, you can read it here at post #4821
https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...hread-322.html
I had not read this thread before a few minutes ago...and was glad to see the report from the Middle East about a possible 'orange' interior which nicely dovetails with what I wrote last night on the other thread above! As long as is limited to 'Orange' deviating stitching on the 'black/alcantara' interior, orange door pulls, and black/orange seat belts, I am all for it.
But if it deviates into 'Orange' alcantara seat inlays and/or 'Orange' alcantara headliner (a twist on the 'Bordello Red' offered on the .2 997 gt3 RS 4.0 LE), I say they have lost their way!
I was not told PTS is available by the dealer. I was just hoping I could get one in blue. The purchase order states that I have their first allocation. Strangely, when I first agreed to their condition, I was told that I would be getting their 2nd allocation but then I was informed by the dealer that their 918 customer is willing to take their 2nd allocation therefor I was getting their 1st allocation. I guess their 918 customer wants the later allocation so that he could order a PTS one.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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02-22-2015, 04:45 PM
#154
Nordschleife Master
fortunately my dealer is not a scalper dealer... I will get it at msrp just like my standard 3.
02-22-2015, 04:53 PM
#155
Race Director
02-22-2015, 06:46 PM
#156
Burning Brakes
Eduardo. Thank you for your input. Any idea why a PTS won't be offered on a limited edition model, at least in the beginning of the production?
02-22-2015, 10:29 PM
#157
Thanks Mike!
PTS has always been always a bit controversial at Porsche. Production engineers and the accountants in the warranty department hate it. Here is why:
a) It creates complex planning issues for production (especially if some of the parts are painted by vendors outsourced by Porsche). The most recent practice required 3 months advance notice from taking the order to the start of production. Those 3 months were needed to coordinate the production hassle of ordering PTS paint, getting to all suppliers that were going to paint a part(s), etc. That is not counting the feasibility study for the color if the latter was not yet on the approved list.
b) Quality Control issues arise all the time. Some of the bumpers on the 991 gt3's were not matching the rest of the body...and that was on 'White' cars. Imagine the added headaches of matching perfectly well 'Voodoo Blue' or 'Pastel Orange' or 'Signal Green'. The problem is further complicated by the fact that many panels (interior & exterior) that need to be painted in this PTS special color are sprayed not in Zuffenhausen's paint booths but at the vendors & subcontractors. So not all pieces are painted at the same time, with the same batch of paint, in the same atmospheric conditions, etc. You can see the problems that could arise from all of this disparate points of paint application.
c) Warranty Issues. Most of you might think $5500 for PTS is the easiest money PAG makes on its option sheet. And you would be dead wrong. If there is any warranty issues that need to be solved after delivery, $5500 doesn't cover even the first paint adjustment on the field! Unless they get it 100% right with matching all panels to the customer's total satisfaction, it's just a nightmare that never ends. Most MBA's working at Porsche would recommend that PTS is eliminated to avoid the liabilities...or raised the price to $10K or $15K for taking the gamble on offering that option!
That is just a few of the points I would single out to answer your question. The proof that PTS is a large problem at Porsche is that it has been discontinued for the balance of MY2015 last fall. That is not even halfway through the '15 production schedule. They claimed that demand overwhelmed their ability to supply. As an aside, the former manager of 'Porsche Exclusive' in the US actually told me that I (your humble Rennlister) via my many enthusiastic posts on the subject in various internet forums, was part of the reason for this increase demand! I think it's more than that. They are experiencing issues of quality control and warranty claims. And this 'stoppage' is a way for them to re-examine the entire program and identify the causes of the problems...and fix it. If it returns in MY2016, don't be surprised if its more expensive.
So it is my hope that Porsche fixes the issues and gives its customers clearer instructions or guidelines as to how to effectively order PTS. Up to recent times, before we started shedding light on the subject at Rennlist, it was admittedly the most misunderstood & opaque program that Porsche ran! Today we are further along in understanding how it all works!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
a) It creates complex planning issues for production (especially if some of the parts are painted by vendors outsourced by Porsche). The most recent practice required 3 months advance notice from taking the order to the start of production. Those 3 months were needed to coordinate the production hassle of ordering PTS paint, getting to all suppliers that were going to paint a part(s), etc. That is not counting the feasibility study for the color if the latter was not yet on the approved list.
b) Quality Control issues arise all the time. Some of the bumpers on the 991 gt3's were not matching the rest of the body...and that was on 'White' cars. Imagine the added headaches of matching perfectly well 'Voodoo Blue' or 'Pastel Orange' or 'Signal Green'. The problem is further complicated by the fact that many panels (interior & exterior) that need to be painted in this PTS special color are sprayed not in Zuffenhausen's paint booths but at the vendors & subcontractors. So not all pieces are painted at the same time, with the same batch of paint, in the same atmospheric conditions, etc. You can see the problems that could arise from all of this disparate points of paint application.
c) Warranty Issues. Most of you might think $5500 for PTS is the easiest money PAG makes on its option sheet. And you would be dead wrong. If there is any warranty issues that need to be solved after delivery, $5500 doesn't cover even the first paint adjustment on the field! Unless they get it 100% right with matching all panels to the customer's total satisfaction, it's just a nightmare that never ends. Most MBA's working at Porsche would recommend that PTS is eliminated to avoid the liabilities...or raised the price to $10K or $15K for taking the gamble on offering that option!
That is just a few of the points I would single out to answer your question. The proof that PTS is a large problem at Porsche is that it has been discontinued for the balance of MY2015 last fall. That is not even halfway through the '15 production schedule. They claimed that demand overwhelmed their ability to supply. As an aside, the former manager of 'Porsche Exclusive' in the US actually told me that I (your humble Rennlister) via my many enthusiastic posts on the subject in various internet forums, was part of the reason for this increase demand! I think it's more than that. They are experiencing issues of quality control and warranty claims. And this 'stoppage' is a way for them to re-examine the entire program and identify the causes of the problems...and fix it. If it returns in MY2016, don't be surprised if its more expensive.
So it is my hope that Porsche fixes the issues and gives its customers clearer instructions or guidelines as to how to effectively order PTS. Up to recent times, before we started shedding light on the subject at Rennlist, it was admittedly the most misunderstood & opaque program that Porsche ran! Today we are further along in understanding how it all works!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
02-22-2015, 10:36 PM
#158
Nordschleife Master
02-23-2015, 12:06 AM
#159
02-23-2015, 11:11 AM
#161
Rennlist Member
Your buddy David Tuaty told me to tell you hello. He worked with us doing some work with McLaren this past weekend.
02-23-2015, 11:36 AM
#162
Three Wheelin'
FiFi was Richmond,VA when I was in med school in the early 80s. The sound of those 4 big radials coughing to life is extraordinary. And it is a big plane, much bigger than the 17. You won't be disappointed!!
02-23-2015, 11:41 AM
#163
Rennlist Member
I have seen FiFi before on two different occasions. One time was in Chattanooga where I was doing a charity event at the Children's Hospital. We happened to walk outside when I hear the roar of the 4 radial engines flying overhead. I immediately look up to see the profile of a B-29 flying overhead. Talk about a gearhead geeking out. It was amazing. It was almost like the first time I saw a GT3RS 4.0 (back on topic ;-))
02-23-2015, 12:20 PM
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Don't mean to hijack the thread but that is awesome Trakcar. I had a chance to fly in Aluminum Overcast about 10 years ago. That was an experience I will never forget. I always thought the B17 was a bigger plane than it was. It is crazy to think about those guys flying in a tin can being shot at and the cold temperatures. Next on the checklist is fly in a B29. I saw where they are offering flights in Little FiFi but at twice the amount as the B17.
Your buddy David Tuaty told me to tell you hello. He worked with us doing some work with McLaren this past weekend.
Your buddy David Tuaty told me to tell you hello. He worked with us doing some work with McLaren this past weekend.
Sorry - don't get to tell many people - but when I saw this post, I had too mention it as i'm proud of my roots and very grateful.
Now back to topic!