Gulf Orange GT3
12-16-2014, 09:33 PM
#47
Three Wheelin'
Very nice. I like how they do 'snow' in Southern California. Everybody there is in the 'Dreamworks' business!
This dealer is at the advanced level as far as 'PTS' knowledge goes. They were one of only two dealers that specced a PTS Boxster Spyder in 2011 for stock inventory (a third was ordered by a real customer) when PAG/PCNA unexpectedly opened the 'window' for it for just 2 weeks in March - without notice or approved colors 'cheat sheets' (like we have now*). My assumption is that this 'Gulf Orange' gt3 started as a customer cancellation of a late MY2014 (C category) gt3 which was re-scheduled by PAG/PCNA for the fall of 2014 as an early MY2015. Walter kept the allocation, changed it to PTS 'Gulf Orange'... are finally bringing it now to market as part of their unsold gt3 inventory. I wish more dealers had the 'cojones' & financial pockets to quickly adapt to changing circumstances like Walters and go for the difficult (it's an expensive MSRP anyway you look at it!) long pass down the field! A PTS '15 gt3 like this one - especially considering now what happened to PTS in MY2015 - was a worthy 'play' for this dealership's management team. And it should pay them benefits - not the least for talent & guts for ordering unusual specced cars like this PTS and many others! Bravo Walters!
By the way, 'Gulf Orange' was first seen in MY1972/MY1973 in the 911 as color code '019'. It has been approved by PAG for PTS several time periods since then, including when this late .1 997 coupe was custom ordered on speculation by an also gutsy dealership in Texas. This photo was taken in 2008 or so (first attached photo). Notice how different the color is from the orange on 'Limited Edition' MY2008 Boxster (that color was 'RS Orange', exactly like the .1 997 gt3 RS) (second photo)! 'Gulf' is a very deep & elegant rendition of 'orange'.
To their credit, PAG's color code for 'Gulf Orange' is still '019', which tell us that they think it's pretty damn close to the original 'Gulf Orange' (then a special color) back in the early 1970's! It's indeed an excellent color with a vintage heritage that's a mile long and should be considered by many for their next special custom order...if/when PAG get's PTS back on track!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
PS Another gutsy dealerships that often takes a chance on PTS include P of San Diego, who ordered on spec the 'Signal Green' .1 997 Carrera S coupe I used to own.
*See attached for latest 'approved' PTS list!
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This dealer is at the advanced level as far as 'PTS' knowledge goes. They were one of only two dealers that specced a PTS Boxster Spyder in 2011 for stock inventory (a third was ordered by a real customer) when PAG/PCNA unexpectedly opened the 'window' for it for just 2 weeks in March - without notice or approved colors 'cheat sheets' (like we have now*). My assumption is that this 'Gulf Orange' gt3 started as a customer cancellation of a late MY2014 (C category) gt3 which was re-scheduled by PAG/PCNA for the fall of 2014 as an early MY2015. Walter kept the allocation, changed it to PTS 'Gulf Orange'... are finally bringing it now to market as part of their unsold gt3 inventory. I wish more dealers had the 'cojones' & financial pockets to quickly adapt to changing circumstances like Walters and go for the difficult (it's an expensive MSRP anyway you look at it!) long pass down the field! A PTS '15 gt3 like this one - especially considering now what happened to PTS in MY2015 - was a worthy 'play' for this dealership's management team. And it should pay them benefits - not the least for talent & guts for ordering unusual specced cars like this PTS and many others! Bravo Walters!
By the way, 'Gulf Orange' was first seen in MY1972/MY1973 in the 911 as color code '019'. It has been approved by PAG for PTS several time periods since then, including when this late .1 997 coupe was custom ordered on speculation by an also gutsy dealership in Texas. This photo was taken in 2008 or so (first attached photo). Notice how different the color is from the orange on 'Limited Edition' MY2008 Boxster (that color was 'RS Orange', exactly like the .1 997 gt3 RS) (second photo)! 'Gulf' is a very deep & elegant rendition of 'orange'.
To their credit, PAG's color code for 'Gulf Orange' is still '019', which tell us that they think it's pretty damn close to the original 'Gulf Orange' (then a special color) back in the early 1970's! It's indeed an excellent color with a vintage heritage that's a mile long and should be considered by many for their next special custom order...if/when PAG get's PTS back on track!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
PS Another gutsy dealerships that often takes a chance on PTS include P of San Diego, who ordered on spec the 'Signal Green' .1 997 Carrera S coupe I used to own.
*See attached for latest 'approved' PTS list!
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Loved your knowledge dump on Gulf Orange.
If you know the history of Riviera Blue, I would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Eric
12-17-2014, 03:19 AM
#50
This lady paid 20 K over sticker?
What this says to me is:
I really like this lady.....into unique Porsches, and multiples, obviously lots of money(pays over sticker). Did you get her number at least?
12-17-2014, 01:02 PM
#52
'Riviera Blau'...
'Riviera Blue', from my personal observations, is either the #1 or #2 most often requested PTS color at Porsche today! From day one, it was always regarded as a beautiful & desirable color to have on your Porsche!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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12-18-2014, 01:47 AM
#55
The second most popular PTS color is...
Well...I would guess right now it's 'Mexico Blue'! 
But it's very possible. 'Mexico' is an extremely popular color. Unfortunately, we don't have (that I know of) any statistics on the colors chosen by customers via PTS. If I had any influence on the matter, I would investigate that & report it since it would make a fascinating article for Christophorus, or PCA's Panorama (are you listening Pete?).
The reality is that it would not surprise me if the second most requested PTS color today at Porsche is a dropped standard color offered until recently by the factory - 'Speed Yellow' or 'Basalt Black'. Customers get their mind set on a certain color they are intimately familiar with. And if that color is no longer available when they finally order their custom car, they still want that color via PTS. So it would not be totally out of the question if the second or third most requested PTS color is rather mundane. I (let me speak for myself) normally associate PTS with a mid-life crisis hue that harks back to the glorious 1970's when Porsche offered a palette of colors as standard to rival today's PTS. But that might not be the norm.
By the way, one of the most interesting analysis of color selection on Porsches was done by Richard von Frankenberg (the editor) in the October 1970 issue (#89...page 44) of Christophorus, the official magazine of the house of Porsche. In MY1970 Porsche was celebrating the completion of a new paint facility at Zuffenhausen and decided to offer 9 standard and 21 'special colors' - 30 colors in one year in total*! In case you missed the '70's, this was the age of psychedelic art and 'grooviness' - so the color offerings included a spectrum that represented the epoch very well. Here are the numbers for MY1970 (15,749 Porsches produced that model year):
Color / % / calculated number of cars done in that color based on total
The standard colors back then were:
- blood orange 14.48% (2095)
- ivory 13.75% (1989)
- signal orange 11.72% (1695)
- irish green 7.03% (1017)
- albert blue 6.81% (985)
- conda green 6.56% (949)
- bahia red 6.42% (929)
- burgundy red 6.07% (878)
- pastel blue 4.23% (612)
The Special Colors were:
- metallic silver 7.83% (1133)
- metallic blue 2.78% (402)
- lemon (Canary) yellow 2.10% (304)
- black 1.22% (176)
- metallic green 1.21% (175)
- adriatic blue 1.21% (175)
- light yellow 1.11% (161)
- metallic red 0.96% (139)
- sepia 0.79% (114)
- olive 0.68% (98)
- signal yellow 0.60% (87)
- bush (Leaf) green 0.21% (30)
- beige (Oxford) gray 0.10% (14)
- signal green 0.10% (14)
- porcelain (Enamel) blue 0.10% (14)
- light red 0.10% (14)
- ivory 0.10% (14)
- crystal blue 0.10% (14)
- turquoise 0.10% (14)
- turquoise green 0.10% (14)
- light grey 0.10% (14)
PTS were 1.3% of total and not included in the colors above.
From August 1969 to June 1970 a total of 15,749 porsches of types 911 and 914/6 were built (MY1970).
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
*That number sounds large. But consider that today, 45 years later, you have a wider color selection via standard 14 color offerings plus 4 pages of PTS! If you think about it that way, we are in a good place in this modern era...if/when PAG gets their PTS act together in MY2016!
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But it's very possible. 'Mexico' is an extremely popular color. Unfortunately, we don't have (that I know of) any statistics on the colors chosen by customers via PTS. If I had any influence on the matter, I would investigate that & report it since it would make a fascinating article for Christophorus, or PCA's Panorama (are you listening Pete?). The reality is that it would not surprise me if the second most requested PTS color today at Porsche is a dropped standard color offered until recently by the factory - 'Speed Yellow' or 'Basalt Black'. Customers get their mind set on a certain color they are intimately familiar with. And if that color is no longer available when they finally order their custom car, they still want that color via PTS. So it would not be totally out of the question if the second or third most requested PTS color is rather mundane. I (let me speak for myself) normally associate PTS with a mid-life crisis hue that harks back to the glorious 1970's when Porsche offered a palette of colors as standard to rival today's PTS. But that might not be the norm.
By the way, one of the most interesting analysis of color selection on Porsches was done by Richard von Frankenberg (the editor) in the October 1970 issue (#89...page 44) of Christophorus, the official magazine of the house of Porsche. In MY1970 Porsche was celebrating the completion of a new paint facility at Zuffenhausen and decided to offer 9 standard and 21 'special colors' - 30 colors in one year in total*! In case you missed the '70's, this was the age of psychedelic art and 'grooviness' - so the color offerings included a spectrum that represented the epoch very well. Here are the numbers for MY1970 (15,749 Porsches produced that model year):
Color / % / calculated number of cars done in that color based on total
The standard colors back then were:
- blood orange 14.48% (2095)
- ivory 13.75% (1989)
- signal orange 11.72% (1695)
- irish green 7.03% (1017)
- albert blue 6.81% (985)
- conda green 6.56% (949)
- bahia red 6.42% (929)
- burgundy red 6.07% (878)
- pastel blue 4.23% (612)
The Special Colors were:
- metallic silver 7.83% (1133)
- metallic blue 2.78% (402)
- lemon (Canary) yellow 2.10% (304)
- black 1.22% (176)
- metallic green 1.21% (175)
- adriatic blue 1.21% (175)
- light yellow 1.11% (161)
- metallic red 0.96% (139)
- sepia 0.79% (114)
- olive 0.68% (98)
- signal yellow 0.60% (87)
- bush (Leaf) green 0.21% (30)
- beige (Oxford) gray 0.10% (14)
- signal green 0.10% (14)
- porcelain (Enamel) blue 0.10% (14)
- light red 0.10% (14)
- ivory 0.10% (14)
- crystal blue 0.10% (14)
- turquoise 0.10% (14)
- turquoise green 0.10% (14)
- light grey 0.10% (14)
PTS were 1.3% of total and not included in the colors above.
From August 1969 to June 1970 a total of 15,749 porsches of types 911 and 914/6 were built (MY1970).
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
*That number sounds large. But consider that today, 45 years later, you have a wider color selection via standard 14 color offerings plus 4 pages of PTS! If you think about it that way, we are in a good place in this modern era...if/when PAG gets their PTS act together in MY2016!
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Last edited by Z356; 12-18-2014 at 02:06 AM.
12-18-2014, 08:37 AM
#56
Nordschleife Master
Well...I would guess right now it's 'Mexico Blue'! But it's very possible. 'Mexico' is an extremely popular color. Unfortunately, we don't have (that I know of) any statistics on the colors chosen by customers via PTS. If I had any influence on the matter, I would investigate that & report it since it would make a fascinating article for Christophorus, or PCA's Panorama (are you listening Pete?).
The reality is that it would not surprise me if the second most requested PTS color today at Porsche is a dropped standard color offered until recently by the factory - 'Speed Yellow' or 'Basalt Black'. Customers get their mind set on a certain color they are intimately familiar with. And if that color is no longer available when they finally order their custom car, they still want that color via PTS. So it would not be totally out of the question if the second or third most requested PTS color is rather mundane. I (let me speak for myself) normally associate PTS with a mid-life crisis hue that harks back to the glorious 1970's when Porsche offered a palette of colors as standard to rival today's PTS. But that might not be the norm.
By the way, one of the most interesting analysis of color selection on Porsches was done by Richard von Frankenberg (the editor) in the October 1970 issue (#89...page 44) of Christophorus, the official magazine of the house of Porsche. In MY1970 Porsche was celebrating the completion of a new paint facility at Zuffenhausen and decided to offer 9 standard and 21 'special colors' - 30 colors in one year in total*! In case you missed the '70's, this was the age of psychedelic art and 'grooviness' - so the color offerings included a spectrum that represented the epoch very well. Here are the numbers for MY1970 (15,749 Porsches produced that model year):
Color / % / calculated number of cars done in that color based on total
The standard colors back then were:
- blood orange 14.48% (2095)
- ivory 13.75% (1989)
- signal orange 11.72% (1695)
- irish green 7.03% (1017)
- albert blue 6.81% (985)
- conda green 6.56% (949)
- bahia red 6.42% (929)
- burgundy red 6.07% (878)
- pastel blue 4.23% (612)
The Special Colors were:
- metallic silver 7.83% (1133)
- metallic blue 2.78% (402)
- lemon (Canary) yellow 2.10% (304)
- black 1.22% (176)
- metallic green 1.21% (175)
- adriatic blue 1.21% (175)
- light yellow 1.11% (161)
- metallic red 0.96% (139)
- sepia 0.79% (114)
- olive 0.68% (98)
- signal yellow 0.60% (87)
- bush (Leaf) green 0.21% (30)
- beige (Oxford) gray 0.10% (14)
- signal green 0.10% (14)
- porcelain (Enamel) blue 0.10% (14)
- light red 0.10% (14)
- ivory 0.10% (14)
- crystal blue 0.10% (14)
- turquoise 0.10% (14)
- turquoise green 0.10% (14)
- light grey 0.10% (14)
PTS were 1.3% of total and not included in the colors above.
From August 1969 to June 1970 a total of 15,749 porsches of types 911 and 914/6 were built (MY1970).
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
*That number sounds large. But consider that today, 45 years later, you have a wider color selection via standard 14 color offerings plus 4 pages of PTS! If you think about it that way, we are in a good place in this modern era...if/when PAG gets their PTS act together in MY2016!
.
But it's very possible. 'Mexico' is an extremely popular color. Unfortunately, we don't have (that I know of) any statistics on the colors chosen by customers via PTS. If I had any influence on the matter, I would investigate that & report it since it would make a fascinating article for Christophorus, or PCA's Panorama (are you listening Pete?). The reality is that it would not surprise me if the second most requested PTS color today at Porsche is a dropped standard color offered until recently by the factory - 'Speed Yellow' or 'Basalt Black'. Customers get their mind set on a certain color they are intimately familiar with. And if that color is no longer available when they finally order their custom car, they still want that color via PTS. So it would not be totally out of the question if the second or third most requested PTS color is rather mundane. I (let me speak for myself) normally associate PTS with a mid-life crisis hue that harks back to the glorious 1970's when Porsche offered a palette of colors as standard to rival today's PTS. But that might not be the norm.
By the way, one of the most interesting analysis of color selection on Porsches was done by Richard von Frankenberg (the editor) in the October 1970 issue (#89...page 44) of Christophorus, the official magazine of the house of Porsche. In MY1970 Porsche was celebrating the completion of a new paint facility at Zuffenhausen and decided to offer 9 standard and 21 'special colors' - 30 colors in one year in total*! In case you missed the '70's, this was the age of psychedelic art and 'grooviness' - so the color offerings included a spectrum that represented the epoch very well. Here are the numbers for MY1970 (15,749 Porsches produced that model year):
Color / % / calculated number of cars done in that color based on total
The standard colors back then were:
- blood orange 14.48% (2095)
- ivory 13.75% (1989)
- signal orange 11.72% (1695)
- irish green 7.03% (1017)
- albert blue 6.81% (985)
- conda green 6.56% (949)
- bahia red 6.42% (929)
- burgundy red 6.07% (878)
- pastel blue 4.23% (612)
The Special Colors were:
- metallic silver 7.83% (1133)
- metallic blue 2.78% (402)
- lemon (Canary) yellow 2.10% (304)
- black 1.22% (176)
- metallic green 1.21% (175)
- adriatic blue 1.21% (175)
- light yellow 1.11% (161)
- metallic red 0.96% (139)
- sepia 0.79% (114)
- olive 0.68% (98)
- signal yellow 0.60% (87)
- bush (Leaf) green 0.21% (30)
- beige (Oxford) gray 0.10% (14)
- signal green 0.10% (14)
- porcelain (Enamel) blue 0.10% (14)
- light red 0.10% (14)
- ivory 0.10% (14)
- crystal blue 0.10% (14)
- turquoise 0.10% (14)
- turquoise green 0.10% (14)
- light grey 0.10% (14)
PTS were 1.3% of total and not included in the colors above.
From August 1969 to June 1970 a total of 15,749 porsches of types 911 and 914/6 were built (MY1970).
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
*That number sounds large. But consider that today, 45 years later, you have a wider color selection via standard 14 color offerings plus 4 pages of PTS! If you think about it that way, we are in a good place in this modern era...if/when PAG gets their PTS act together in MY2016!
.
Seems to me by that last pict, light shades of yellow are what white is today. Also shocked that there hardly were any whites sold at all.
12-19-2014, 11:02 PM
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Wow. Those two colors are really great. Of the blues, I think the Mexico has the most "pop" as I am a huge blue fan, but only on certain cars such as the 991 and certain hues. Really nice
12-20-2014, 01:46 AM
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