GT3 RS allocations
11-24-2014, 07:58 PM
#136
Rennlist Member
11-24-2014, 09:31 PM
#137
Rennlist Member
Mega in-line replies incoming... Apologies for the giant post. 
Keep in mind, these "facts" often begin as a single rumor reported as news (either on the internet, or by someone somewhere reputable), and then get re-broadcast as news, over and over, eventually to the point where everyone thinks it's fact. Am I saying it won't be 600 to the US for the first Model Year? No. It very well could be 600 to the US. That said, I doubt it'll be 600 worldwide. That would make the 991.1 GT3 RS limited edition, just like the 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0 (which it will likely outperform). I think Porsche would rather keep that LE card for yet another 991.2 GT3 RS variant. They're masterminds when it comes to milking a 911 generation with variants (and I love it).
I was under the impression that emissions requirements are across the entire fleet, not for specific cars. If they were solely on specific cars, almost all supercars, and even non-super high performance cars, are doomed.
^^ This. Happens all the time. And every single time, we all feed into it (on Rennlist, on other forums, in the media, by the media).
I'm pretty sure allocations haven't been allocated yet. Anything a dealer tells you is likely pure speculation on their part with respect to how many they think they'll get. FYI, anytime anyone's told me how much they think they'll get, they've always gotten more (in the past).
Granted, they don't really hope to make a ton of money off this stuff. That's what they have the Cayenne, Panamera, and Macan for. But, these cars are what drive more people to them. If they treat me like garbage when I try to buy my special 911's, I'm definitely not going to think of Porsche when I need a sedan, or an SUV. Nor am I going to recommend my friends who are just now having a second child that they should get a Macan / Cayenne. 
Yup.
No offense to anyone who bought a Panamera Turbo S Exclusive Series on here, but that variant is garbage. Not worth the added cost. There's nothing special about it to me, unless I'm the idiot and completely missed what's special. (Well, actually, offense intended, heh... I did say something offensive, didn't I?)
I'm fairly confident that not ever 918 Spyder owner will consume their VIP allocation for the 911 variants. And a lot who do would only do it if they could flip them. But, if you flip them, you get kicked off the VIP list, if I'm not mistaken.
Yes. Yes! This. ^^
I'd wager that there will be two model years of the 991.1 GT3 RS, and it'll spill over into the production period of the 991.2 911. Then there'll be a short hiatus, and then the 991.2 GT3 / GT3 RS will hit (possibly with minor performance improvements, but mostly with cosmetic changes, such as the 918 Spyder steering wheel and taillights -- just like the Macan).
I also find it hard to believe that the 991.1 GT3 RS will be limited (numbered) edition like the 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0, the 997.2 GT2 RS, the 991 50th, etc. Knowing Porsche, they'll do another one of those towards the end of the 991 run. That would make total sense to me.
Sadness that you committed to $10k over MSRP when many dealers will still sell it at MSRP if you're patient, or look hard enough. 
But, I do hope you get what you want, and in the end, it doesn't matter how much I think you should've spent, but how much you think it's personally worth.
That's how the policy / process is set, yeah. But, as I hope Porsche has learned from Ferrari (who makes this mistake time and time again), they won't **** off their VIP's, nor their most prominent customers (who didn't buy a 918 Spyder for one reason or another -- it's not always about money).
(Re: Ferrari, an example was the Enzo... They made 349 initially. Enough VIP's and long time customers complained, and threatened to jump ship, that Ferrari ended up making another 50. Some say it was even more than 399 worldwide, but since Ferrari didn't number the cars, it's tough to get a true count.)
Yes, I realize they're only making 100 Panamera Turbo S Exclusive Series cars, but see my negative comments above about that.
Exactly! Same here. Patience is the key.
Indeed. Besides, aren't those the ones with the most problems?
Indeed, you can only get one per 918 Spyder purchased, and it's from the original 918 Spyder selling dealer, only. It's different from the VIP program with some other makes, where I'm able to buy from any franchise dealership I want, as the VIP-ness carries with my customer file.
Yup. I really wanted to make a push for the 458 Speciale. But after enough unpleasant experiences with Ferrari dealers, I passed. I know I'll wish I had one, and maybe one day I'll pick up a low miles preowned from a fellow collector, but eh, I have enough "last of their kind" naturally aspirated supercars. (Still, the 458 Speciale is one incredible, amazing car.)
I was under the impression that emissions requirements are across the entire fleet, not for specific cars. If they were solely on specific cars, almost all supercars, and even non-super high performance cars, are doomed.
I agree that 600 isn't make much sense. But I seriously doubt there is much $$ to be made on GT3 RS anyway. Porsche's major $$ maker are the cayenne, Macan and the Panamera. GT3 RS, 918s are only around for RD and brand image. I think they will be lucky if they breakeven on the 918.
Unfortunately I don't think it will matter which number you are at your dealer. If it is true there are only 200 cars coming to the U.S. (which, btw, I wouldn't necessarily believe until Porsche says so in print), then the 918 owners will most likely buy all of them.
The 918 owners have a voracious car appetite. They snapped up all 100 of the "Exclusive" Panameras before the car was even announced to the public. I wouldn't be tremendously surprised if the same thing happened with the RS. That is, it wouldn't surprise me if Porsche said, "we are making a GT3RS, and it's already sold out."
The 918 owners have a voracious car appetite. They snapped up all 100 of the "Exclusive" Panameras before the car was even announced to the public. I wouldn't be tremendously surprised if the same thing happened with the RS. That is, it wouldn't surprise me if Porsche said, "we are making a GT3RS, and it's already sold out."
(Well, actually, offense intended, heh... I did say something offensive, didn't I?)I'm fairly confident that not ever 918 Spyder owner will consume their VIP allocation for the 911 variants. And a lot who do would only do it if they could flip them. But, if you flip them, you get kicked off the VIP list, if I'm not mistaken.
I'd wager that there will be two model years of the 991.1 GT3 RS, and it'll spill over into the production period of the 991.2 911. Then there'll be a short hiatus, and then the 991.2 GT3 / GT3 RS will hit (possibly with minor performance improvements, but mostly with cosmetic changes, such as the 918 Spyder steering wheel and taillights -- just like the Macan).
I also find it hard to believe that the 991.1 GT3 RS will be limited (numbered) edition like the 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0, the 997.2 GT2 RS, the 991 50th, etc. Knowing Porsche, they'll do another one of those towards the end of the 991 run. That would make total sense to me.
But, I do hope you get what you want, and in the end, it doesn't matter how much I think you should've spent, but how much you think it's personally worth. Ok I got an answer from Porsche on this question. On limited production vehicles VIPs can buy every single one of them, leaving none for the rest of the buying public. In addition, if there are more VIPs interested than there are vehicles to be produced, then some VIPs won't get one. For example, if there were say 500 RS models being produced (a made up number for my illustration) and 600 VIPs want one, then 100 VIPs will be SOL.
All that said we still don't know if the RS is gong to be a limited production model or not. If not, then the VIP issue may be completely irrelevant (except with regard to timing of delivery).
All that said we still don't know if the RS is gong to be a limited production model or not. If not, then the VIP issue may be completely irrelevant (except with regard to timing of delivery).
(Re: Ferrari, an example was the Enzo... They made 349 initially. Enough VIP's and long time customers complained, and threatened to jump ship, that Ferrari ended up making another 50. Some say it was even more than 399 worldwide, but since Ferrari didn't number the cars, it's tough to get a true count.)
Yes, I realize they're only making 100 Panamera Turbo S Exclusive Series cars, but see my negative comments above about that.
I have it from a good source within a certain German car company that there will be less than 500 RS for sale in the US. However, there are fewer than 300 US 918 owners, and not all 918 owners will buy the RS. So at least 200 non-VIPs, and likely quite a few more, should get RS's from their dealers.
Patience is the key.Indeed. Besides, aren't those the ones with the most problems?
You guys think getting the RS is going to be a pain, read this drama.
The interesting thing is that they also mention that this could be the last NA Ferrari and could be very valuable. This future turboization of the 911 has me pissed as well.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11411228...xtra-equipment
The interesting thing is that they also mention that this could be the last NA Ferrari and could be very valuable. This future turboization of the 911 has me pissed as well.
http://www.worldcarfans.com/11411228...xtra-equipment
11-25-2014, 11:31 AM
#142
11-25-2014, 11:40 AM
#143
Rennlist Member
11-25-2014, 12:15 PM
#144
Nordschleife Master
still, I think the point is that even if they are all sold, that's a lot of GT3s at one dealer...
11-25-2014, 12:47 PM
#145
Three Wheelin'
Its not that many for the volume that store does and considering the fact that these are already built (in transit)/going to be built soon and not delivered. Basically 17 deliveries over next 4 months (depending if some were LW bucket delays) inc Nov. so approx 3-5 deliveries per month.
11-25-2014, 01:41 PM
#146
Nordschleife Master
Its not that many for the volume that store does and considering the fact that these are already built (in transit)/going to be built soon and not delivered. Basically 17 deliveries over next 4 months (depending if some were LW bucket delays) inc Nov. so approx 3-5 deliveries per month.
11-25-2014, 01:47 PM
#147
Dealers get to decide on how they're posted to the website etc. My dealer never posts any cars that are customer orders to avoid incoming calls, other dealers post everything.
11-25-2014, 02:18 PM
#148
Three Wheelin'
Correct...the individual dealership can have the inventory available feed to the website based on what they want to show. It very much depends on dealer size also. If I owned a small Porsche dealer and only had 2 GT3s total and both were pre-sold I would probably make sure that they didn't appear available on my website, but if I owned BHP I would keep these online just like they have done until they deliver because they will generate leads for the dealership (hopefully they will disclose that the GT3s that are showing online are pre-ordered/sold). With that number of pending delivery GT3s in the pipeline they will likely have a back out (or many) in the 11th hour. They will have a list of alternatives so that they can quickly turn the cars when and if back outs occur.
11-25-2014, 08:22 PM
#149
Nordschleife Master
