GT3 goes from 1st to 3rd best driver's car
10-17-2014, 05:10 PM
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Toprpm - what does laptime have to do with a vehicle being a good driver's car? And to give them an excuse, they used a trackday where timing is banned for liability/insurance reasons.
Having driven Castle Combe many a time, i'd argue it is a bit of a limited circuit - being a circle with a few kinks - for a test like this. Also, surely you should judge these cars with a mix of circuit and road use.
Roll on the RS...
Having driven Castle Combe many a time, i'd argue it is a bit of a limited circuit - being a circle with a few kinks - for a test like this. Also, surely you should judge these cars with a mix of circuit and road use.
Roll on the RS...
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10-17-2014, 06:34 PM
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OMG, if Ferrari was a competitor there then they had Scuderia Tune-Up Team to make sure that the car that was going to be used was in as perfect tune for the situation at hand. Porsche just throws the testers the keys and tells them to bring her back with a full tank of gas.
10-17-2014, 07:28 PM
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OMG, if Ferrari was a competitor there then they had Scuderia Tune-Up Team to make sure that the car that was going to be used was in as perfect tune for the situation at hand. Porsche just throws the testers the keys and tells them to bring her back with a full tank of gas.
Not the first time, either.
10-17-2014, 07:43 PM
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This is very expected. Measuring lap times at this level (differences in tenths of seconds) is pointless, so I think irrespective of whether there was a Ferrari support team or not, I think the Speciale would've come out on top. I haven't driven it or the GT3 (I have a 997.2 C2S and a 430 Scuderia), but from the reviews, I feel that the Speciale is just that much more special. I am not sure why an Atom is there - street legal it might be, it's not a road car by any means for me. Evo did it nicely last year - had a separate track car of the year so that the Monos and Atoms and the Caterhams could compete with each other.
10-17-2014, 07:57 PM
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Listening to the audio, they did some road driving, however they focused totally on track footage in the video and the article in the magazine felt a bit biased toward track times. Last year's competition felt more enthusiast and dual role balanced.
I think an Ariel Atom is a cool track toy and would make an interesting addition to a well established collection, for drivers looking for a daily driver or for those with space for only one dual purpose weekend / special occasion vehicle I do not feel the Atom would be high on the list.
As for the 458 Speciale, the general journalist consensus seems to be the Speciale just edges out the 991 GT3 which given the price category difference is quite the compliment for the GT3. Recall that the GT3 is a variant of the base 911 which has certain benefits and some limitations. The GT3 development basically took the 991 chassis stripped the suspension and drive train and then developed a superb dual purpose package focused on driver experience with a cup car vibe and a bit of track bias. On the other hand the 458 is a unique model with a dedicated chassis development team, IMHO Ferrari likely poured more hours into the chassis design and the Speciale likely benefited more from the standard 458 suspension integration than the GT3.
Both the GT3 and Speciale benefited from their respective parallel race car development programs, however the regulations often create limitations on the race cars. Some of these limitations include wheel diameters and active suspension. So some of the adjustable and heavy duty parts carry over to the street cars, geometry is often somewhat different (see the Elephant Racing article on why the 991 Cup can use 18" wheels and the street GT3 cannot.
Personally, if I could afford a Speciale, I'd have one rather than the GT3 I have on order.
Ryan
I think an Ariel Atom is a cool track toy and would make an interesting addition to a well established collection, for drivers looking for a daily driver or for those with space for only one dual purpose weekend / special occasion vehicle I do not feel the Atom would be high on the list.
As for the 458 Speciale, the general journalist consensus seems to be the Speciale just edges out the 991 GT3 which given the price category difference is quite the compliment for the GT3. Recall that the GT3 is a variant of the base 911 which has certain benefits and some limitations. The GT3 development basically took the 991 chassis stripped the suspension and drive train and then developed a superb dual purpose package focused on driver experience with a cup car vibe and a bit of track bias. On the other hand the 458 is a unique model with a dedicated chassis development team, IMHO Ferrari likely poured more hours into the chassis design and the Speciale likely benefited more from the standard 458 suspension integration than the GT3.
Both the GT3 and Speciale benefited from their respective parallel race car development programs, however the regulations often create limitations on the race cars. Some of these limitations include wheel diameters and active suspension. So some of the adjustable and heavy duty parts carry over to the street cars, geometry is often somewhat different (see the Elephant Racing article on why the 991 Cup can use 18" wheels and the street GT3 cannot.
Personally, if I could afford a Speciale, I'd have one rather than the GT3 I have on order.
Ryan
10-17-2014, 08:52 PM
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I haven't driven a special I own a 458 and have driven one extensively at COTA. I would rather an do have a 458 for street use. A nice used 458 and a GT3 can be had for almost the same money as a special with a few options.
Not quite fair a 130k car to a 350k car.
911's and Ferraris's are different. Viva la difference.
Not quite fair a 130k car to a 350k car.
911's and Ferraris's are different. Viva la difference.
10-17-2014, 09:15 PM
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If you have the money go out & buy the Speciale....it's obviously one of the best Ferrari's ever!
Not sure how it will hold up on the track & I'm sure the consumables will be expensive. Also, not sure how the the used Ferrari market look at a 458 that has been tracked.
The GT3 is the one I'd have. Consumables are less expensive, so far it has been robust on the track & Porsche buyers seem a little less **** when buying tracked cars. Buy the 991GT3, take it to the track & take the significant other out for dinner. The great all rounder.
Not sure how it will hold up on the track & I'm sure the consumables will be expensive. Also, not sure how the the used Ferrari market look at a 458 that has been tracked.
The GT3 is the one I'd have. Consumables are less expensive, so far it has been robust on the track & Porsche buyers seem a little less **** when buying tracked cars. Buy the 991GT3, take it to the track & take the significant other out for dinner. The great all rounder.