View Poll Results: PCCB or Full Leather?
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Full Leather or PCCB?
10-06-2014, 08:57 AM
#46
Nordschleife Master
this is awesome feedback so far, and i really do value each of your points of view.
one thing i wanted to ask you guys was your thoughts on longevity of the dash with or without leather. this may ultimately open the door wide open for speculative answers, but does anyone know if a leather dash is less likely to dry/crack etc than the stock plastic dash?
just thinking about my future grandkids 30-40 years from now. [yes, i just caught myself wondering why i am thinking that far out, but has that crossed anyone's mind?]
one thing i wanted to ask you guys was your thoughts on longevity of the dash with or without leather. this may ultimately open the door wide open for speculative answers, but does anyone know if a leather dash is less likely to dry/crack etc than the stock plastic dash?
just thinking about my future grandkids 30-40 years from now. [yes, i just caught myself wondering why i am thinking that far out, but has that crossed anyone's mind?]
10-06-2014, 09:23 AM
#47
Isn't the PCCB also over double the price of full leather with stiching on the GT3?
It seems the PCCB argument is - "it's a performance car - get the performance option." Well when they put the PCCB on the CUP car than maybe that will make sense.
You're basically paying 9k for an uglier looking caliper to most people (that's why they sell more Ducatis and Ferraris in red than yellow) and less brake dust. If you drive the car on the street you're not gonna notice the minor unsprung weight difference and if you drive the car on the track you don't want ceramics anyways -
Further, the 991 GT3 is really just a raced-up 911 -- not at toned down GT3 CUP. At the end of the day you'll probably notice the nicer interior a lot more than slightly lighter brakes which don't stop any faster.
Go with the slightly heavier brakes and the much heavier wallet.
It seems the PCCB argument is - "it's a performance car - get the performance option." Well when they put the PCCB on the CUP car than maybe that will make sense.
You're basically paying 9k for an uglier looking caliper to most people (that's why they sell more Ducatis and Ferraris in red than yellow) and less brake dust. If you drive the car on the street you're not gonna notice the minor unsprung weight difference and if you drive the car on the track you don't want ceramics anyways -
Further, the 991 GT3 is really just a raced-up 911 -- not at toned down GT3 CUP. At the end of the day you'll probably notice the nicer interior a lot more than slightly lighter brakes which don't stop any faster.
Go with the slightly heavier brakes and the much heavier wallet.
10-06-2014, 11:24 AM
#48
Nordschleife Master
I struggled for ages on the exact same decision. And went with neither.
But now I've lived with the car for 9,000 kms i can give you a definitive answer. Get the PCCBs.
Reason is that although the car is 100% awesome I'm constantly pained by the fact that I could have slightly better handling and steering feel.
I wish there were an objective test to answer whether that would be true or not.
As for the leather, I had it on the loaner Boxter and when I first got the plastic GT3 the interior felt like a step down and I regretted that too. But having lived with it I actually prefer the plastic. The simplicity reminds me I'm in a sports car.
But now I've lived with the car for 9,000 kms i can give you a definitive answer. Get the PCCBs.
Reason is that although the car is 100% awesome I'm constantly pained by the fact that I could have slightly better handling and steering feel.
I wish there were an objective test to answer whether that would be true or not.
As for the leather, I had it on the loaner Boxter and when I first got the plastic GT3 the interior felt like a step down and I regretted that too. But having lived with it I actually prefer the plastic. The simplicity reminds me I'm in a sports car.
10-06-2014, 11:46 AM
#49
Burning Brakes
this is awesome feedback so far, and i really do value each of your points of view.
one thing i wanted to ask you guys was your thoughts on longevity of the dash with or without leather. this may ultimately open the door wide open for speculative answers, but does anyone know if a leather dash is less likely to dry/crack etc than the stock plastic dash?
just thinking about my future grandkids 30-40 years from now. [yes, i just caught myself wondering why i am thinking that far out, but has that crossed anyone's mind?]
one thing i wanted to ask you guys was your thoughts on longevity of the dash with or without leather. this may ultimately open the door wide open for speculative answers, but does anyone know if a leather dash is less likely to dry/crack etc than the stock plastic dash?
just thinking about my future grandkids 30-40 years from now. [yes, i just caught myself wondering why i am thinking that far out, but has that crossed anyone's mind?]
At the end of the day, picking your options is a fun and nerve wracking process. Do your homework and pick the options that will put the biggest smile on your face when you get in your car every morning, regardless of what anyone here tells you. If its having the confidence of PCCBs under your foot then get them. If its knowing that your butt is wrapped in leather go for it. There is not a right or wrong answer. Above all have fun!
10-06-2014, 11:53 AM
#50
10-06-2014, 01:26 PM
#51
Depends on how you will use the car.
As a DD or weekend fun car? You will spend more time looking at the interior of the car than the exterior. Once you have owned a full leather Porsche, the standard interior just doesn't measure up.
As a track car? Don't really need or want either PCCB or full leather. Use the money for some 19" wheels and track tires.
As a show car? The full leather looks nice. So do the PCCB's. Either or both would be fine.
I wrestled with the same decision. While the PCCB's may offer a theoretic advantage, I doubt anyone short of Patrick Long would be able to notice. Certainly not with legal street driving in the US. The only advantage of PCCB's I could realistically see was less brake dust. OK, for some that's a big deal. However, I could pay someone $100 a month to clean my wheels each and every month for over 7 and 1/2 years before I reached the cost of the PCCB's. Might be worth it to some folks I guess.
On the other hand, they are the same brakes on a 918 Spyder. How else can you have the seats and brakes from a 918 for under $200k??
Bottom line - get what you want for reasons that are important to you.
As a DD or weekend fun car? You will spend more time looking at the interior of the car than the exterior. Once you have owned a full leather Porsche, the standard interior just doesn't measure up.
As a track car? Don't really need or want either PCCB or full leather. Use the money for some 19" wheels and track tires.
As a show car? The full leather looks nice. So do the PCCB's. Either or both would be fine.
I wrestled with the same decision. While the PCCB's may offer a theoretic advantage, I doubt anyone short of Patrick Long would be able to notice. Certainly not with legal street driving in the US. The only advantage of PCCB's I could realistically see was less brake dust. OK, for some that's a big deal. However, I could pay someone $100 a month to clean my wheels each and every month for over 7 and 1/2 years before I reached the cost of the PCCB's. Might be worth it to some folks I guess.
On the other hand, they are the same brakes on a 918 Spyder. How else can you have the seats and brakes from a 918 for under $200k??
Bottom line - get what you want for reasons that are important to you.
10-06-2014, 01:53 PM
#52
Burning Brakes
10-06-2014, 02:13 PM
#53
Race Director
Isn't the PCCB also over double the price of full leather with stiching on the GT3?
It seems the PCCB argument is - "it's a performance car - get the performance option." Well when they put the PCCB on the CUP car than maybe that will make sense.
You're basically paying 9k for an uglier looking caliper to most people (that's why they sell more Ducatis and Ferraris in red than yellow) and less brake dust. If you drive the car on the street you're not gonna notice the minor unsprung weight difference and if you drive the car on the track you don't want ceramics anyways -
Further, the 991 GT3 is really just a raced-up 911 -- not at toned down GT3 CUP. At the end of the day you'll probably notice the nicer interior a lot more than slightly lighter brakes which don't stop any faster.
Go with the slightly heavier brakes and the much heavier wallet.
It seems the PCCB argument is - "it's a performance car - get the performance option." Well when they put the PCCB on the CUP car than maybe that will make sense.
You're basically paying 9k for an uglier looking caliper to most people (that's why they sell more Ducatis and Ferraris in red than yellow) and less brake dust. If you drive the car on the street you're not gonna notice the minor unsprung weight difference and if you drive the car on the track you don't want ceramics anyways -
Further, the 991 GT3 is really just a raced-up 911 -- not at toned down GT3 CUP. At the end of the day you'll probably notice the nicer interior a lot more than slightly lighter brakes which don't stop any faster.
Go with the slightly heavier brakes and the much heavier wallet.
The Cup car example is a red herring because Cup cars are built to a specific standard. Porsche doesn't put computer adjustable suspension, infinitely variable electronic diff, ABS, or any number of other performance enhancements that are available on the street car on the Cup car, AFAIK. That doesn't mean those enhancements aren't worthwhile.
As to whether one can feel the difference I'll make a deal. When people stop talking about the advantages of saving weight with lighter wheels, lighter seats, lighter battery, or a lighter exhaust bypass, I'll stop talking about saving 30-35 lbs of un-sprung weight with lighter brakes.
Buy leather, buy brakes, buy both, buy neither. TEHO. I love the PCCB's and I also love the optional leather interior. But if I had to choose.....
10-06-2014, 04:04 PM
#54
Nordschleife Master
This thread got me thinking about PCCB again. I searched all the forums, read all of the experiences and once again ruled them out. When you need to replace the rotors, it's $20K OEM or $16K if you go with the racingbrake solution. I could also by a complete set of RacingBrake's 2 piece iron rotors and better calipers for $10k.. http://www.racingbrake.com/RB-Calipe...por-irp-03.htm
They will be superior to any Porsche OEM brake kit whether PCCB or not. Since I will be tracking this car, this makes the most sense for me. YMMV.
They will be superior to any Porsche OEM brake kit whether PCCB or not. Since I will be tracking this car, this makes the most sense for me. YMMV.
10-06-2014, 04:50 PM
#55
Drifting
This thread got me thinking about PCCB again. I searched all the forums, read all of the experiences and once again ruled them out. When you need to replace the rotors, it's $20K OEM or $16K if you go with the racingbrake solution. I could also by a complete set of RacingBrake's 2 piece iron rotors and better calipers for $10k.. http://www.racingbrake.com/RB-Calipe...por-irp-03.htm
They will be superior to any Porsche OEM brake kit whether PCCB or not. Since I will be tracking this car, this makes the most sense for me. YMMV.
They will be superior to any Porsche OEM brake kit whether PCCB or not. Since I will be tracking this car, this makes the most sense for me. YMMV.
10-06-2014, 04:53 PM
#56
Nordschleife Master
10-06-2014, 05:00 PM
#57
Nordschleife Master
ok i'll admit... I went back and took a second look at full leather too...
I still decided against it... I think its the stitching on the dash I really don't like...at least not in a GT3...
good thread though
I still decided against it... I think its the stitching on the dash I really don't like...at least not in a GT3...
good thread though
10-06-2014, 05:05 PM
#58
Drifting
10-06-2014, 05:25 PM
#59
Nordschleife Master
Either way, the track is a blast...easy to learn and remember a bit tougher to drive fast where you need to be the fastest...the Uphiller and the downhiller corners which require some ***** to execute at 9/10ths.
10-06-2014, 08:45 PM
#60
Rennlist Member
I had Pccbs on the gt3 997.1 I just sold.
Driving with them is like having the Hand of God stopping you. No dust ,no noise, no wear in 20 k mi ,
I have them ordered on the 991 gt3 coming with out question. Gave up the leather and carbon stuff and didn't think twice.
BTW these are the same brakes on the 918 ...need I say more !
Elliot
Driving with them is like having the Hand of God stopping you. No dust ,no noise, no wear in 20 k mi ,
I have them ordered on the 991 gt3 coming with out question. Gave up the leather and carbon stuff and didn't think twice.
BTW these are the same brakes on the 918 ...need I say more !
Elliot