Let's imagine a 991RS America..
08-09-2014, 01:00 AM
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Let's imagine a 991RS America..
It worked pretty well in 1993 and the resale on them is going nuts. It was a big success all the way around due to PCA demand....
http://www.rsamerica.net/market/vehicles/index.htm
The recipe:
-cheaper
-lighter
-simpler
-just as track worthy as the full pull model
-more fun, more honest purist car
-a bit slower OK.
Let's grab the RS..
CL, PDKrap, RWS optional, no alcantara, no leather just like entry level C2 crisis edition interior, black only, radio optional, AC optional, no torque vectoring, just a good old LSD. No Carbon hood, no carbon roof, no titanium exhaust, just simple strong 18" wheels. Say $130K CS package in a box for $10K, white only. Like first GT3.
Let's grab the GT3.
CL, PDKrap, RWS not available, no alcantara, no leather like entry level C2 crisis edition interior, black only, radio optional, AC optional, no torque vectoring, just a good old LSD. 18" wheels. Say $110K CS package in a box for $10K, silver, black, white, red or dark blue metallic. Like original RSA.
Great beginner track cars:
Let's grab a base C2S...
7 speed manual, strip everything, GT3 Suspension bits, good LSD, 18" wheels for $95K offer it in primer grey only. CS package in a box for $10K.
Lets do the same with the Cayman GT4 for $70K, instead of the BS parts bin special $90K GTS.
Stripped means everything is left off that the factory can leave off as long as it reduces weight and cost..
Fru fru crap options like nose lift, deviated stitching (use a damn Sharpie) whale ***** skin leather, 38 way seats, Ballermester stereo, xray head lamps, exterior paint inside, anything not black inside, chrono wart, etc. etc, not optional to make sure they keep their value.
Which one would you have to beat to death at the track?
http://www.rsamerica.net/market/vehicles/index.htm
The recipe:
-cheaper
-lighter
-simpler
-just as track worthy as the full pull model
-more fun, more honest purist car
-a bit slower OK.
Let's grab the RS..
CL, PDKrap, RWS optional, no alcantara, no leather just like entry level C2 crisis edition interior, black only, radio optional, AC optional, no torque vectoring, just a good old LSD. No Carbon hood, no carbon roof, no titanium exhaust, just simple strong 18" wheels. Say $130K CS package in a box for $10K, white only. Like first GT3.
Let's grab the GT3.
CL, PDKrap, RWS not available, no alcantara, no leather like entry level C2 crisis edition interior, black only, radio optional, AC optional, no torque vectoring, just a good old LSD. 18" wheels. Say $110K CS package in a box for $10K, silver, black, white, red or dark blue metallic. Like original RSA.
Great beginner track cars:
Let's grab a base C2S...
7 speed manual, strip everything, GT3 Suspension bits, good LSD, 18" wheels for $95K offer it in primer grey only. CS package in a box for $10K.
Lets do the same with the Cayman GT4 for $70K, instead of the BS parts bin special $90K GTS.
Stripped means everything is left off that the factory can leave off as long as it reduces weight and cost..
Fru fru crap options like nose lift, deviated stitching (use a damn Sharpie) whale ***** skin leather, 38 way seats, Ballermester stereo, xray head lamps, exterior paint inside, anything not black inside, chrono wart, etc. etc, not optional to make sure they keep their value.
Which one would you have to beat to death at the track?
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08-09-2014, 01:27 AM
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less is indeed more.
Would love Porsche to build a 991"RS-A" as a no frills, minimal options purist car.
As close to the Cup car as legally possible.
Thin, lightweight non glued removable carpet.
carbon door shells with basic door cards.
No frunk carpet.
Motorsport LSD.
18" wheels.
hardback non recline buckets.
minimal buttons on console.
white only.
only options would be radio and A/C.
With good tires one would expect it to hang with 996 and 997.1 Cups...
Sticker price same as fully loaded C2S would be nice.....
Would love Porsche to build a 991"RS-A" as a no frills, minimal options purist car.
As close to the Cup car as legally possible.
Thin, lightweight non glued removable carpet.
carbon door shells with basic door cards.
No frunk carpet.
Motorsport LSD.
18" wheels.
hardback non recline buckets.
minimal buttons on console.
white only.
only options would be radio and A/C.
With good tires one would expect it to hang with 996 and 997.1 Cups...
Sticker price same as fully loaded C2S would be nice.....
08-09-2014, 01:28 AM
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08-09-2014, 02:31 AM
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old is new blk
in fact i was looking at some 72 chassis today.....
in fact i was looking at some 72 chassis today.....
08-09-2014, 02:39 AM
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Extremely good idea - listen PCNA (not just ROW) Do it now while the getting is good!
I think it would make a lot of sense historical sense and restore some lost goodwill of recent.
Bring back the past.
I think it would make a lot of sense historical sense and restore some lost goodwill of recent.
Bring back the past.
08-09-2014, 08:44 AM
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If you're talking about being consistent with the 964 RSA in concept...all we need is another major recession...Porsche sales figures drops like a rock...a real RS not being sold in the US...PNA to come up with a marketing exercise to strip a base 991 and slap on a hydraulic rack, smaller wheels, an old 6 speed if one could fit, and put on a big wing. They'll strip the interior and apply cloth seats to the fronts and take out the back seats, apply RSA stickers and you'll have the same thing.
The mystique of the 964 RSA is nothing more than a limited production number, a couple stickers and a de-content exercise.
Oh yeah, this will have to be sold as a cheaper model than a base 991...but no way Porsche will do the same, as they've figured it out since the RSA.
The mystique of the 964 RSA is nothing more than a limited production number, a couple stickers and a de-content exercise.
Oh yeah, this will have to be sold as a cheaper model than a base 991...but no way Porsche will do the same, as they've figured it out since the RSA.
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08-09-2014, 11:23 AM
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LOL 
Loving the 500E I been hammering around for a week.
Fast that thing... Simple, cheap everything works, everything you need, nothing you don't except for ventilated seats so winter driving only :-)
Loving the 500E I been hammering around for a week.
Fast that thing... Simple, cheap everything works, everything you need, nothing you don't except for ventilated seats so winter driving only :-)
08-09-2014, 02:11 PM
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Would love for them to do this, but not *instead* of the 991 GT3 RS, but alongside it. I'd grab both, to be honest.
Sadly, I doubt they'd do this.
But maybe someone at PAG will let passion drive them, and do something unique, unexpected, and amazing.
Sadly, I doubt they'd do this.
But maybe someone at PAG will let passion drive them, and do something unique, unexpected, and amazing.
08-09-2014, 06:49 PM
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Pete its a nice dream.
In 1993 the 964RSA was what America got instead of the real thing (964RS ROW). Essentially the RS of 1973/1990/1995 was the GT3RS of today. And thats exactly what PAG are going to build you very soon indeed. If you want lighter/rawer/better handling than that then you are a Porsche 991 GT3 Cup customer. If that is still not enough fr you you can be a Porsche 991 GT3 RSR owner and so on and so forth.
Nothing change, PAG call the shots. Remember they went from RS moniker for 20 years to GT3 just like that not adding the "RS" piece again till 5 years after the first GT3 was released! They can kill monikers and start new ones up just like that any time they want its just a marketing company selling a product after all....
Personally I believe we see the end of the GT3 moniker/concept soon Its been 15 years now and by supposed 991.2 GT3 will be 20 so my money is on the badge changing by the next iteration (GT4?). The concept may change too. However its never going to go back to the stripped out grass roots stuff in this product line.
I like the idea tho :-)
In 1993 the 964RSA was what America got instead of the real thing (964RS ROW). Essentially the RS of 1973/1990/1995 was the GT3RS of today. And thats exactly what PAG are going to build you very soon indeed. If you want lighter/rawer/better handling than that then you are a Porsche 991 GT3 Cup customer. If that is still not enough fr you you can be a Porsche 991 GT3 RSR owner and so on and so forth.
Nothing change, PAG call the shots. Remember they went from RS moniker for 20 years to GT3 just like that not adding the "RS" piece again till 5 years after the first GT3 was released! They can kill monikers and start new ones up just like that any time they want its just a marketing company selling a product after all....
Personally I believe we see the end of the GT3 moniker/concept soon Its been 15 years now and by supposed 991.2 GT3 will be 20 so my money is on the badge changing by the next iteration (GT4?). The concept may change too. However its never going to go back to the stripped out grass roots stuff in this product line.
I like the idea tho :-)
08-09-2014, 07:33 PM
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In 1993 the 964RSA was what America got instead of the real thing (964RS ROW). Essentially the RS of 1973/1990/1995 was the GT3RS of today. And thats exactly what PAG are going to build you very soon indeed. If you want lighter/rawer/better handling than that then you are a Porsche 991 GT3 Cup customer.
I'm mostly looking for track worthy, cheaper, simpler, lighter...
Kinda like the budget discount Aston Marting N430 Sport, but by Porsche..
http://n430.astonmartin.com
08-09-2014, 07:40 PM
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Pete. I understand. Me too!
Have you considered the BMW M235i racing package out of Germany? They run a series theres starting this year. Its "only" 333 bhp but has big torque and is stripped down with more rigid chassis, better suspension and lower weight.
http://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/cars/bmw-m235ir.html
Its not a perfect solution and it snot a Porsche I know. However if they were to run this series in USA would be a great step up from track work - at least you are driving a one make series so about the driving not the car/mods etc.
I think in reality to achieve what you mention you need to look away from Porsche which is a luxury car manufacturer now with sports car heritage. In the UK Gienetta supply you a road legal trackj car for low cost which they provide some track and race time opportunities with. Down here and Im sure USA we have a GT86 series with highly modified GT86 which is realtively low cost and alot of fun. There is always the Ultima, Cateram, X bow, Atom markets which are very popular uin UK but which I dont hear much about form the USA - those are very capable track cars for the money.
There is actually alot of hardcore track day use equipment that meets you mandate if you are on with moving outside of Porsche and not fighting HP wars. The most tactile and best handling stiff is in the 300 bhp bracket and often capable of running things like GT3 very close in lap times on all bu the larger courses with longer straights..
Have you considered the BMW M235i racing package out of Germany? They run a series theres starting this year. Its "only" 333 bhp but has big torque and is stripped down with more rigid chassis, better suspension and lower weight.
http://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/cars/bmw-m235ir.html
Its not a perfect solution and it snot a Porsche I know. However if they were to run this series in USA would be a great step up from track work - at least you are driving a one make series so about the driving not the car/mods etc.
I think in reality to achieve what you mention you need to look away from Porsche which is a luxury car manufacturer now with sports car heritage. In the UK Gienetta supply you a road legal trackj car for low cost which they provide some track and race time opportunities with. Down here and Im sure USA we have a GT86 series with highly modified GT86 which is realtively low cost and alot of fun. There is always the Ultima, Cateram, X bow, Atom markets which are very popular uin UK but which I dont hear much about form the USA - those are very capable track cars for the money.
There is actually alot of hardcore track day use equipment that meets you mandate if you are on with moving outside of Porsche and not fighting HP wars. The most tactile and best handling stiff is in the 300 bhp bracket and often capable of running things like GT3 very close in lap times on all bu the larger courses with longer straights..
08-09-2014, 07:46 PM
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I looked at the BMW, but racecar.
I already have a 300HP racecar and due to street vin it's streetable..
A Camaro ticks boxes too, but 3800lbs and well no 911.
Just would like a simplified real 911 with minimum cost. Maybe like a 997GT3 but new with warranty and again simpler cheaper. A dumbed down 991GT3 I gues.
I already have a 300HP racecar and due to street vin it's streetable..
A Camaro ticks boxes too, but 3800lbs and well no 911.
Just would like a simplified real 911 with minimum cost. Maybe like a 997GT3 but new with warranty and again simpler cheaper. A dumbed down 991GT3 I gues.