991 GT3 vs. Ferrari 458
08-08-2014, 11:44 AM
#33
I've read the 918 Spyder is in the high 9's @145 mph. There's still a pretty big difference between the Huracan and the 918.
FWIW...I have a deposit down for a Huracan Spider. Should be an outstanding car.
FWIW...I have a deposit down for a Huracan Spider. Should be an outstanding car.
08-08-2014, 11:46 AM
#34
Since this is the 991GT3 forum I get the support. I have owned most 911 variants including '11 GT3RS. I had a GT3 on order till all the BS started.
Price independent a 911 is not the same experience as a Ferrari. Just my opinion after owning many 911's and several Ferraris.
Price independent a 911 is not the same experience as a Ferrari. Just my opinion after owning many 911's and several Ferraris.
08-08-2014, 11:52 AM
#35
Ok, so back to our regularly scheduled program, I will probably grab a 2015 GT3 allocation after I make sure all the current GT3's don't have issues.
08-08-2014, 02:01 PM
#38
Burning Brakes
seems i am not the only one who thinks the GT3 RS 3.8...rather special(e)
"So this is it. This is evo. This is the car that we hold aloft as the one that has reached the highest heights in this crazy mixed-up world we call the Thrill of Driving. The Porsche 911 GT3 RS 3.8.
It was a fantastically diverse test and every car in the top 20 was extraordinary. Doubts? Of course. There were always doubts that a duffer would emerge, or that earlier judgments were incorrect, or that some of the older cars would feel just plain geriatric. But every car in the top 20 positively radiated brilliance.
We had two front-engined cars in the final, and two with mid-engines. One was front-wheel drive and the rest rear-wheel drive. Cylinders came in Vs and straights with four, eight and ten pistons blasting up and down inside them. But it’s the only car with six flat cylinders and the engine at the rear that wins. And it wins by a cigarette paper, one of those very, very thin cigarette papers.
The Ferrari 458 Speciale came close. Extremely close. ‘I love the Speciale’s manic energy and the immediacy of its controls,’ explains Dickie Meaden. ‘It’s exuberant if you want it to be, but underneath that wildness is an incredible level of composure. It’s a racer at heart, but it works brilliantly on the road.’
That it fights and almost wins against a car that is so aligned with the more analogue leanings of the team is remarkable, and while the GT3 RS should be celebrated as the best of the past 200 issues, it’s the Speciale that sets the benchmark for the next 200.
So what is it about the GT3 RS that elevates it above the others? John Barker explains: ‘Take the best bits of everything else in this whole test, cram them into a ridiculously compact shell and you’ve got the 911 GT3 RS.’
‘If the Speciale is a masterclass in response, the GT3 RS is the definitive lesson in feedback,’ adds Jethro. ‘The steering – I know we’re forever banging on about bloody steering! – is truly special, bubbling and wriggling with the most wonderful detail. Not just of the road surface but flowing information about weight transfer, the shifts in balance that are at the core of this car.’
At this point Henry chips in: ‘The way its damping copes with the Welsh roads is just perfect and not once did I feel like the mighty Mezger wasn’t strong enough. What’s more, the suppleness in the suspension set-up means that I could enjoy all these lovely adjustable 911 feelings even when we were just pottering along in the morning at five- or six-tenths.’
Back to Barker: ‘This is the best balanced of all RSs for me. The ride and handling are perfectly balanced, the crazy top end of the 3.8 is plenty crazy enough, the heft of the hefty gearshift is as hefty as I’d want it and there’s nothing I want more of from an RS.’
‘It’s alive at all times,’ explains Jethro, ‘and you feel the weight shifting around, the slight softness of response as you guide it gently into easy curves. But then the transformation when you decide to snap between direction changes is incredible. Suddenly the front-end is pinned and the traction is, of course, almost surreal.
‘The Speciale is more expressive if you just love oversteer, but the constant dialogue of the GT3 RS is perhaps even more immersive. And when you finally get to the point where the car is sliding around, the rewards are out of this world… And through all that I didn’t even mention the engine! Which is extraordinary!’
The final words go to Dickie: ‘As much as I love the Speciale, the RS is a tougher, grittier experience. Of course you have to drive the Speciale to get the best from it, but ultimately there’s less to get to know. The RS demands a broader skill set and greater intimacy with its ways and foibles before you’re able or confident enough to push it"
cf:
http://api.app.evo.co.uk/editions/uk...babd5/web.html
"So this is it. This is evo. This is the car that we hold aloft as the one that has reached the highest heights in this crazy mixed-up world we call the Thrill of Driving. The Porsche 911 GT3 RS 3.8.
It was a fantastically diverse test and every car in the top 20 was extraordinary. Doubts? Of course. There were always doubts that a duffer would emerge, or that earlier judgments were incorrect, or that some of the older cars would feel just plain geriatric. But every car in the top 20 positively radiated brilliance.
We had two front-engined cars in the final, and two with mid-engines. One was front-wheel drive and the rest rear-wheel drive. Cylinders came in Vs and straights with four, eight and ten pistons blasting up and down inside them. But it’s the only car with six flat cylinders and the engine at the rear that wins. And it wins by a cigarette paper, one of those very, very thin cigarette papers.
The Ferrari 458 Speciale came close. Extremely close. ‘I love the Speciale’s manic energy and the immediacy of its controls,’ explains Dickie Meaden. ‘It’s exuberant if you want it to be, but underneath that wildness is an incredible level of composure. It’s a racer at heart, but it works brilliantly on the road.’
That it fights and almost wins against a car that is so aligned with the more analogue leanings of the team is remarkable, and while the GT3 RS should be celebrated as the best of the past 200 issues, it’s the Speciale that sets the benchmark for the next 200.
So what is it about the GT3 RS that elevates it above the others? John Barker explains: ‘Take the best bits of everything else in this whole test, cram them into a ridiculously compact shell and you’ve got the 911 GT3 RS.’
‘If the Speciale is a masterclass in response, the GT3 RS is the definitive lesson in feedback,’ adds Jethro. ‘The steering – I know we’re forever banging on about bloody steering! – is truly special, bubbling and wriggling with the most wonderful detail. Not just of the road surface but flowing information about weight transfer, the shifts in balance that are at the core of this car.’
At this point Henry chips in: ‘The way its damping copes with the Welsh roads is just perfect and not once did I feel like the mighty Mezger wasn’t strong enough. What’s more, the suppleness in the suspension set-up means that I could enjoy all these lovely adjustable 911 feelings even when we were just pottering along in the morning at five- or six-tenths.’
Back to Barker: ‘This is the best balanced of all RSs for me. The ride and handling are perfectly balanced, the crazy top end of the 3.8 is plenty crazy enough, the heft of the hefty gearshift is as hefty as I’d want it and there’s nothing I want more of from an RS.’
‘It’s alive at all times,’ explains Jethro, ‘and you feel the weight shifting around, the slight softness of response as you guide it gently into easy curves. But then the transformation when you decide to snap between direction changes is incredible. Suddenly the front-end is pinned and the traction is, of course, almost surreal.
‘The Speciale is more expressive if you just love oversteer, but the constant dialogue of the GT3 RS is perhaps even more immersive. And when you finally get to the point where the car is sliding around, the rewards are out of this world… And through all that I didn’t even mention the engine! Which is extraordinary!’
The final words go to Dickie: ‘As much as I love the Speciale, the RS is a tougher, grittier experience. Of course you have to drive the Speciale to get the best from it, but ultimately there’s less to get to know. The RS demands a broader skill set and greater intimacy with its ways and foibles before you’re able or confident enough to push it"
cf:
http://api.app.evo.co.uk/editions/uk...babd5/web.html
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08-08-2014, 02:55 PM
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08-09-2014, 12:51 AM
#41
I found my 458 to be almost annoying in street driving.
The trans was twitchy, and jerky when driving slow.
Was impossible to keep a constant speed on highway.
Got a little too much attention in the city.
The trans was twitchy, and jerky when driving slow.
Was impossible to keep a constant speed on highway.
Got a little too much attention in the city.
08-09-2014, 09:48 AM
#42
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wow....
the previous generation gt3 was better than the latest ferrari 458 ??? something doesnt sound right.
are they evaluating from a purely racing car standpoint.
?
the previous generation gt3 was better than the latest ferrari 458 ??? something doesnt sound right.
are they evaluating from a purely racing car standpoint.
?
08-09-2014, 10:36 AM
#43
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Agree 100%.
For the track I would pick the GT3, but for cruising around the City or just staring at it parked in the garage, or living room, definitely the 458.
The rear spoiler of the GT3 it's just too much for city driving.
I am actually thinking of upgrading my 991s to the GT3 and one consideration I am having is getting a Duck tail rear end for city driving and keep the spoiler for weekend/track use.
I think the GT3 would just look really cool with the Duck tail.
For the track I would pick the GT3, but for cruising around the City or just staring at it parked in the garage, or living room, definitely the 458.
The rear spoiler of the GT3 it's just too much for city driving.
I am actually thinking of upgrading my 991s to the GT3 and one consideration I am having is getting a Duck tail rear end for city driving and keep the spoiler for weekend/track use.
I think the GT3 would just look really cool with the Duck tail.
08-09-2014, 12:27 PM
#45
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