ColdList

Yes. Very much so. That is what I was going to say yesterday. Not a huge jump in actual differences. Seems they do that with every 2 gens. They make the design changes minimal.

This is very helpful Nick. Thank you. These are the reasons I want to make the switch as well. I want the raw feel yet to be able to DD this car without being driven mad. This is how I feel about the spider-just "too much too often". I also prefer a PDK. The manual rowing to me is ancient technology. And you are right-it is by far the best value for the $. Not that I place the most weight on that since these are "wants" but it certainly does factor in. At this point, for me at least, I really think it's just the flat out best car for me at any price point. Porsche just has that "feel" that I like. Ferrari doesn't give that to me. I recently took an FF home for a weekend and honestly I liked driving it more than I liked the 458. Can't wait to get my GT3. Thanks for your input. REALLY helpful.

ColdList

I suspect you are correct!

I am trying to get a ride in one.

ColdList

Oh the wait...ugh.

For the past few years I have been flipping cars every 3-4 months. Now I have full 4 moths to wait on my GT3! I might lose my mind.

AWW100

I just read this thread and I am actually in the market trying to decide which car to buy. I just came off owning a 612 for 6 months losing 20K on it because it just got too much attractions everywhere. I was annoyed that I couldn't even go to Starbucks without getting worried. The main reason I bought the 612 was its V12 exhaust. Amazing. The ride...ehhhhh.....not so good: feels old and big. Not precise.

I have a daughter in 4th grade so I want to get a car that wife, daughter and I can go out on weekends in it but the GT3 is a 2 seater. I am like Coldlist that I don't track. I live in NYC so it snows (Dec-Mar). I am torn between the TTS and GT3 but based on what you guys are saying, I will get bored with the TTS. Any suggestions? Should I ignore other people or the weather and just get the "fun" car?

ipse dixit

Even as a 911 fan, for some reason the TTS does very little for me.

If not the GT3, perhaps the new Ferrari California T?

Jimmy-D

It appears with you family the Gt3 while not be an option so no back seats. I do not know what else will offer what you want for you family "sports car". May be a M3- that may work

AWW100

The problem is it has to be a Porsche brand car due to some personal matters with the dealer.
Was looking at Macan Turbo or S but everyone said it's not a sports car. I understand. Just trying to balance all.
Obviously I want to spend the money on a car that is interesting and be used. I had a 991 C2 and sold it after 15 months with only 4500 miles.
Still can't decide!!!

Bill_C4S

so my solution to this problem is....991 Carrera GTS (maybe the 4).....which could be released at Paris next week...or LA in Nov....

Normally aspirated exhaust note..coupled to few chassis/horsepower (X51) tweaks...maybe RWS...2+2..and if you want AWD.....select such...

Prospective deposit placed.

RS remains in the stable...don't think I need to explain why

AWW100

I was originally thinking about the GTS but I need to wait a lonnnnnnnnng time. Meanwhile, I wanted to lease a smart car for a few months (36 months lease is less than. 5K) but got veto by wife.

FORENN

The idea that the 991 Turbo is a "boring" car is somewhere between hilarity and insanity, I just can't pinpoint it.

CAlexio

Just saw a black turbo.. With black headlights.. It looked absolutely menacing. The man had a huge grin when he got out, he didn't look bored.

Bill_C4S

rather depends on what you want from your automotive experience.

the lithe, immersive, visceral, aurally scintillating experience that is GT3....is not, of recent, the Turbo calling card...

apparent that Porsche took some of the "anodyne, hairdryer" critique levelled at the 997 Turbo to heart...as the 991 Turbo...seems to have reconnected (somewhat) with the driver.....

suffice on my list to find out.

CAlexio

I often wonder how car companies like Porsche struggle with engineering character back into a car. We generally Define character as quirkiness, a rough edge here or there, "feel", "sound"... All these attributes which can correlate quite closely with poor development or lack of technology. So as technology inexorably progresses, cars lose their "character".. Becoming smoother, quieter, faster, easier to drive.. ... What a conundrum for an engineer to achieve perfection, and then have to work some flaw back in just to appeal to us dumb-dumbs who don't care about ultimate performance (otherwise we would all buy a turbo) and are instead searching for "character"... Where are the retired Tvr engineers when you need them.

Bill_C4S

i dare say watching this place:

http://tvr.co.uk/

(yes..TVR might just be back....)

ipse dixit

When I say "boring" it's not necessarily in a negative way.

The TTS is almost too perfect and easy to drive at speed that you tend to lose the emotional aspects of manning a motor and traveling on a road.

To take an analogy. It's like wearing a digital watch that automatically syncs to the Atomic clock. Perfect, infallible and just a technological masterpiece.

But sometimes you yearn for the charms of a hand-wound automatic watch like a Patek, with an in-house movement that's painstakingly decorated for no utilitarian reason other than aesthetics and which keeps time just fine if you consider "accuracy" more a luxury than a requisite standard feature of a wristwatch.