Cayman GTS. Can it take some GT3 sales?
05-26-2014, 01:43 PM
#16
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Underpowered yes-known fact.
It revs to 8K RPM,according to Sutcliffe, " it could be the best sport car sensible money can buy! "
" Lovely 6 speed manual gearbox " coming from a big PDK fan. " I'm having a little bit of a rewind about PDK ". I love that statement!
Curb weight of 2965LBS and the GT3 weighs 3153LBS.
" Apart from the LaFerrari and P1,the nicest steering of any sports car on sale at the moment ". I don't remember him saying that about the GT3 steering. Since it probably shares the same electromechanical steering system with the GT3,I assume it is due to the improved software...? Or mid-engine set-up...?
" If I could have one sports car for the rest of my life this might be it ".
And then it's the price : it starts at 75K.
It revs to 8K RPM,according to Sutcliffe, " it could be the best sport car sensible money can buy! "
" Lovely 6 speed manual gearbox " coming from a big PDK fan. " I'm having a little bit of a rewind about PDK ". I love that statement!
Curb weight of 2965LBS and the GT3 weighs 3153LBS.
" Apart from the LaFerrari and P1,the nicest steering of any sports car on sale at the moment ". I don't remember him saying that about the GT3 steering. Since it probably shares the same electromechanical steering system with the GT3,I assume it is due to the improved software...? Or mid-engine set-up...?
" If I could have one sports car for the rest of my life this might be it ".
And then it's the price : it starts at 75K.
05-26-2014, 03:58 PM
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If I didn't have a spyder already, I would consider getting a new cayman GTS. I would still want a Gt3, though. A stable just isn't complete without both a mid engine and rear engine Porsche.
05-26-2014, 07:15 PM
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GTS is just another variant with a slight horsepower gain and a couple goodies to try to stir some sales. Porsche - just finally take the next step and give this car with 400-420 plus horses and let it beat the C2S. Just milking this is not going to excite the purists. This car will not steal 911 sales nor GT3 sales. Crank out a GT4 with some serious numbers and a manual and you can gain back the purists you loss who did not opt for the GT3 because lack of manual
05-26-2014, 08:17 PM
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OK, two things. While the Cayman is an attractive car, there are people who think that the 911 is the quintessential Porsche shape and layout and that a Boxster or Cayman, regardless of performance, can't truly compare. Having traded in a perfectly nice '07 Boxster S after two years because I missed owning a 911, I guess I'm one of them.
05-26-2014, 10:38 PM
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05-26-2014, 11:10 PM
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[QUOTE=Mike in CA;11395773]The one thing I would say is there have always been folks for whom the 911's rear seat is a useful and practical feature, and yet they don't "need" or want to pay for GT3 or even S
When I bought my first 911 the rear seats were my excuse to comvince my wife. Rear seats and a BIG from trunk....it's Like a minivan
When I bought my first 911 the rear seats were my excuse to comvince my wife. Rear seats and a BIG from trunk....it's Like a minivan
05-27-2014, 01:52 AM
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GTS is no threat to the C2S or GT3 IMHO. Cayman GT4? If it's 400+hp, manual, no center locks - they can nearly have a blank check. Still keeping the 997.2 GT3 though 
05-27-2014, 01:08 PM
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I doubt the GTS would have any impact on GT3 sales either. They aren't in the same class performance wise or price wise. It is still just a little over half the price of a GT3. And, engine firegate aside, they sell all the GT3's they make anyway. The real competition is from other lines within the 911 range. It might, however, continue to steal sales from the base 991 even though the price point narrows.
05-27-2014, 02:31 PM
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I doubt the GTS would have any impact on GT3 sales either. They aren't in the same class performance wise or price wise. It is still just a little over half the price of a GT3. And, engine firegate aside, they sell all the GT3's they make anyway. The real competition is from other lines within the 911 range. It might, however, continue to steal sales from the base 991 even though the price point narrows.
Once you start looking at leasing rates things get even worse, the price of the GTS is so high and the leasing is so bad that I can (and probably will) be in a 991 C2S with the powerkit for a nominal difference monthly.
I would buy a 400hp NA Cayman GT4 instead of a GT3.
05-27-2014, 02:45 PM
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I think it's different strokes for different folks.
I've specced a Cayman GTS just for the hell of it and came to 76.5K. Why would you want to spec a Cayman up to 90K?! It just doesn't make sense. Porsche is playing a mind game with options and are very successful at it!
This would be a driver's car,focused on enjoying the act of driving...with everything that it entails: feel,noise,involvement...
This is the best value money can buy. From the looks of it,at that price it is a much better value than an M3/4,unless you need the back seats.
I've specced a Cayman GTS just for the hell of it and came to 76.5K. Why would you want to spec a Cayman up to 90K?! It just doesn't make sense. Porsche is playing a mind game with options and are very successful at it!
This would be a driver's car,focused on enjoying the act of driving...with everything that it entails: feel,noise,involvement...
This is the best value money can buy. From the looks of it,at that price it is a much better value than an M3/4,unless you need the back seats.
05-27-2014, 03:00 PM
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If the GT4 is done right, I'll sell my 997.2 GT3 and move to a GT4.
05-27-2014, 05:48 PM
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+997.2