GT3 2016 facelift
04-30-2014, 05:58 AM
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04-30-2014, 09:49 AM
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04-30-2014, 11:54 AM
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What you guys think, wait till gt3rs will be announced or to buy gt3 ?
I have a delivery date GT3 on march-may 2015
If gt3rs will be announced in september 2014 (for example) how long to wait till i get it ? 6 months ? Or more
I have a delivery date GT3 on march-may 2015
If gt3rs will be announced in september 2014 (for example) how long to wait till i get it ? 6 months ? Or more
04-30-2014, 12:33 PM
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04-30-2014, 01:50 PM
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05-01-2014, 12:36 AM
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Beyond MY2015 the future of the 991GT3 is quite uncertain. There has been a great deal of discussion about emissions and fleet average MPG putting pressure on the GT series cars.
There are a number of possibilities.
1. Porsche gets another Euro 5 emissions extension and we see a facelift of the current GT cars.
2. Porsche brings a face lifted GT car with a hybrid driveline.
3. Porsche brings a face lifted GT car with a turbo charged motor.
4. The 960 becomes the next GT car.
Personally I think a hybrid drive train is definitely coming and goes right along the path already forged with the 918. Imagine a 300hp gas power plant in the rear and 200 additional electric coupled in ala 918.
Ryan
There are a number of possibilities.
1. Porsche gets another Euro 5 emissions extension and we see a facelift of the current GT cars.
2. Porsche brings a face lifted GT car with a hybrid driveline.
3. Porsche brings a face lifted GT car with a turbo charged motor.
4. The 960 becomes the next GT car.
Personally I think a hybrid drive train is definitely coming and goes right along the path already forged with the 918. Imagine a 300hp gas power plant in the rear and 200 additional electric coupled in ala 918.
Ryan
I ran into this story a couple of days ago & spent an hour going nowhere trying to get more solid information to no avail...
FCA, Daimler Buy Greenhouse Credits To Meet EPA Emission Limits
By Cameron Miquelon on April 28, 2014
The Environmental Protection Agency said Fiat Chrysler Automobiles’ Chrysler and Ferrari divisions, as well as Daimler’s Mercedes-Benz unit, bought greenhouse gas (GHG) credits to remain in compliance with the agency’s 2025 twin goals of 54.5 mpg and halved greenhouse gas emissions.
The Detroit News reports Honda and Tesla sold 90,000 and 35,580 greenhouse credits — each one measured in 1 metric ton of emissions, or megagram — to Ferrari and Mercedes respectively for the 2010 model year, while Chrysler bought 500,000 such credits from Nissan for 2011. In addition, Mercedes purchased 250,000 credits from Nissan and 177,941 credits from Tesla for 2012; the EPA does not disclose how much the automakers paid for the compliance credits.
As for what the three divisions are doing to come into compliance with EPA and CAFE standards outside of the credit market, Ferrari — which FCA petitioned the agency to classify as an independent automaker, allowing the brand to enjoy the same conditional exemptions as Aston Martin, Lotus and McLaren due to its low production output — “is working to boost fuel efficiency while improving performance,” while Mercedes is looking into stop-start and other fuel-saving technology. Chrysler, for its part, is experimenting with flex fuels and using turbocharged four-cylinders in some of its offerings.
Source: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ission-limits/
If I new someone high-up the food chain at a major car company I would begin to ask alot of questions in regards to this subject. If, as this article states, and "Greenhouse Gas Credits" are already being used to offset models that can't make the target for future fuel mileage regs, then perhaps there is hope that a NA GT3 will continue to be offered by PAG. As Macca and others have stated; if PAG already has knowledge, or a plan for future models 3-5 years out, then maybe a few people at PAG/VAG know how they can offer (or continue to make) high-powered NA cars in the future. I'd gladly pay a "greenhouse gas" credit fee tacked onto the MSRP, if it were like the current gas guzzler tax if only the 960 was to be powered by a NA engine that would put the V8 in the 918, and any other NA engine to shame.
05-01-2014, 12:53 AM
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Beyond MY2015 the future of the 991GT3 is quite uncertain. There has been a great deal of discussion about emissions and fleet average MPG putting pressure on the GT series cars.
There are a number of possibilities.
1. Porsche gets another Euro 5 emissions extension and we see a facelift of the current GT cars.
2. Porsche brings a face lifted GT car with a hybrid driveline.
3. Porsche brings a face lifted GT car with a turbo charged motor.
4. The 960 becomes the next GT car.
Personally I think a hybrid drive train is definitely coming and goes right along the path already forged with the 918. Imagine a 300hp gas power plant in the rear and 200 additional electric coupled in ala 918.
Ryan
There are a number of possibilities.
1. Porsche gets another Euro 5 emissions extension and we see a facelift of the current GT cars.
2. Porsche brings a face lifted GT car with a hybrid driveline.
3. Porsche brings a face lifted GT car with a turbo charged motor.
4. The 960 becomes the next GT car.
Personally I think a hybrid drive train is definitely coming and goes right along the path already forged with the 918. Imagine a 300hp gas power plant in the rear and 200 additional electric coupled in ala 918.
Ryan
I think what you suggest is really well balanced argument. Hybrid and turbo are a likely reality in the future of the 911, but Im not sure if they will bestow such tech on the GT cars just yet.
Just as a point of clarification its the Euro 6 to 6.5 standards that are requiring and extension
05-01-2014, 01:43 AM
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The biggest mystery in Car-dom right now: Emissions.
I ran into this story a couple of days ago & spent an hour going nowhere trying to get more solid information to no avail...
FCA, Daimler Buy Greenhouse Credits To Meet EPA Emission Limits
By Cameron Miquelon on April 28, 2014
The Environmental Protection Agency said Fiat Chrysler Automobiles’ Chrysler and Ferrari divisions, as well as Daimler’s Mercedes-Benz unit, bought greenhouse gas (GHG) credits to remain in compliance with the agency’s 2025 twin goals of 54.5 mpg and halved greenhouse gas emissions.
The Detroit News reports Honda and Tesla sold 90,000 and 35,580 greenhouse credits — each one measured in 1 metric ton of emissions, or megagram — to Ferrari and Mercedes respectively for the 2010 model year, while Chrysler bought 500,000 such credits from Nissan for 2011. In addition, Mercedes purchased 250,000 credits from Nissan and 177,941 credits from Tesla for 2012; the EPA does not disclose how much the automakers paid for the compliance credits.
As for what the three divisions are doing to come into compliance with EPA and CAFE standards outside of the credit market, Ferrari — which FCA petitioned the agency to classify as an independent automaker, allowing the brand to enjoy the same conditional exemptions as Aston Martin, Lotus and McLaren due to its low production output — “is working to boost fuel efficiency while improving performance,” while Mercedes is looking into stop-start and other fuel-saving technology. Chrysler, for its part, is experimenting with flex fuels and using turbocharged four-cylinders in some of its offerings.
Source: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ission-limits/
If I new someone high-up the food chain at a major car company I would begin to ask alot of questions in regards to this subject. If, as this article states, and "Greenhouse Gas Credits" are already being used to offset models that can't make the target for future fuel mileage regs, then perhaps there is hope that a NA GT3 will continue to be offered by PAG. As Macca and others have stated; if PAG already has knowledge, or a plan for future models 3-5 years out, then maybe a few people at PAG/VAG know how they can offer (or continue to make) high-powered NA cars in the future. I'd gladly pay a "greenhouse gas" credit fee tacked onto the MSRP, if it were like the current gas guzzler tax if only the 960 was to be powered by a NA engine that would put the V8 in the 918, and any other NA engine to shame.
I ran into this story a couple of days ago & spent an hour going nowhere trying to get more solid information to no avail...
FCA, Daimler Buy Greenhouse Credits To Meet EPA Emission Limits
By Cameron Miquelon on April 28, 2014
The Environmental Protection Agency said Fiat Chrysler Automobiles’ Chrysler and Ferrari divisions, as well as Daimler’s Mercedes-Benz unit, bought greenhouse gas (GHG) credits to remain in compliance with the agency’s 2025 twin goals of 54.5 mpg and halved greenhouse gas emissions.
The Detroit News reports Honda and Tesla sold 90,000 and 35,580 greenhouse credits — each one measured in 1 metric ton of emissions, or megagram — to Ferrari and Mercedes respectively for the 2010 model year, while Chrysler bought 500,000 such credits from Nissan for 2011. In addition, Mercedes purchased 250,000 credits from Nissan and 177,941 credits from Tesla for 2012; the EPA does not disclose how much the automakers paid for the compliance credits.
As for what the three divisions are doing to come into compliance with EPA and CAFE standards outside of the credit market, Ferrari — which FCA petitioned the agency to classify as an independent automaker, allowing the brand to enjoy the same conditional exemptions as Aston Martin, Lotus and McLaren due to its low production output — “is working to boost fuel efficiency while improving performance,” while Mercedes is looking into stop-start and other fuel-saving technology. Chrysler, for its part, is experimenting with flex fuels and using turbocharged four-cylinders in some of its offerings.
Source: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...ission-limits/
If I new someone high-up the food chain at a major car company I would begin to ask alot of questions in regards to this subject. If, as this article states, and "Greenhouse Gas Credits" are already being used to offset models that can't make the target for future fuel mileage regs, then perhaps there is hope that a NA GT3 will continue to be offered by PAG. As Macca and others have stated; if PAG already has knowledge, or a plan for future models 3-5 years out, then maybe a few people at PAG/VAG know how they can offer (or continue to make) high-powered NA cars in the future. I'd gladly pay a "greenhouse gas" credit fee tacked onto the MSRP, if it were like the current gas guzzler tax if only the 960 was to be powered by a NA engine that would put the V8 in the 918, and any other NA engine to shame.
11-23-2015, 04:07 PM
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