When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission. Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.
Unless you would plan on driving your car with a helmet on why would you want the roll bar?
I'd prefer to not have something hard in the cab if I get in an accident with no helmet.
I'd agree with this if we were talking about a full cage. We're not though. The half cage at the back isn't going to be anywhere near your head in a crash.
what's even worse they removed the mount points from the tub.... same for the GT4
I was going to order the OEM parts in Europe but without mount points that was not going to work...
Is this really true for the 991? They were present in the 997 and I certainly know a couple American 997.1 RSs offhand that had the full front and rear OEM Clubsport cages installed in the US of A. Bolted right into the OEM mount points.
Very interesting rules you have in the U.S ,,,,,,,,,Australia is the complete opposite the clubsport cage is allowed to be factory fitted as our rule makers believe that the Auto manufacturer has a greater knowledge about his product than they do ........How ever fitting of aftermarket cages and seats require and engineering certification to prove that the cage and fitment meets all of the required standards ,,,,many aftermarket accessories are frowned upon by the so call rule makes down under .....
what's even worse they removed the mount points from the tub....
same for the GT4
I was going to order the OEM parts in Europe but without mount
points that was not going to work...
Originally Posted by neuroguru
Is this really true for the 991?
They were present in the 997 and I certainly know a couple
American 997.1 RSs offhand that had the full front and rear
OEM Clubsport cages installed in the US of A. Bolted right
into the OEM mount points.
My recollection is that only a few early 2007 US gt3 RS had
the 'mount points'*...and then PAG made sure no others were
fitted with it. One of earliest US MY2007 gt3 RS, WP0AC29907S792366.
had the roll cage mounting plates. This RS is among the six
earliest Vin # we know that was made for the US market:
****
That these mounting plates soon were ELIMINATED on later US bound
2007 gt3 RS is, frankly, unsurprising. The idea was to prove to the US
DOT authorities that PAG was NOT trying to circumvent regulations by
facilitating the retrofit of the Porsche factory roll cage after the RS were
delivered to Porsche's US clients. The harder PAG/PCNA made it for the
US customer to fit the not DOT approved roll cage, the better Porsche
lawyers felt it distanced PAG from any possible accusations that the
manufacturer was actively encouraging said 'roll cage' to be installed
easily after delivery...therefore circumventing US regulations! So the
lack of Roll Cage mounting plates on US RS models might not make
sense to some Rennlisters, or for that matter also their inability to get
the ROW 'roll-cage in a box' via PCNA's dealer parts dept, but Porsche's
liability lawyers understood the the subtle 'message' sent by PAG if
either were present, in the car or the parts system. That is why these
roll cage mounts quickly disappeared from early US 2007 gt3 RS's.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
*Mooty once described the Roll Cage mounting plates as:
"flat plated welded to the tub (where rear passenger feet
will be if there were rear seats). those were done in factory
and the RS (rest of the world) bar front legs are mounted
and bolted to that plate.". The 997 gt3 RS Registry states
that: "None of the (USA) 2007 GT3 RS were supposed to
have Roll Cage mounting plates". But in fact a few early
ones came with it and the RS Registry made an attempt
to find out which early cars actually came with them...and
reported on it in their registry!
My recollection is that only a few early 2007 US gt3 RS had
the 'mount points'*...and then PAG made sure no others were
fitted with it. One of earliest US MY2007 gt3 RS, WP0AC29907S792366.
had the roll cage mounting plates. This RS is among the six
earliest Vin # we know that was made for the US market:
****
That these mounting plates soon were ELIMINATED on later US bound
2007 gt3 RS is, frankly, unsurprising. The idea was to prove to the US
DOT authorities that PAG was NOT trying to circumvent regulations by
facilitating the retrofit of the Porsche factory roll cage after the RS were
delivered to Porsche's US clients. The harder PAG/PCNA made it for the
US customer to fit the not DOT approved roll cage, the better Porsche
lawyers felt it distanced PAG from any possible accusations that the
manufacturer was actively encouraging said 'roll cage' to be installed
easily after delivery...therefore circumventing US regulations! So the
lack of Roll Cage mounting plates on US RS models might not make
sense to some Rennlisters, or for that matter also their inability to get
the ROW 'roll-cage in a box' via PCNA's dealer parts dept, but Porsche's
liability lawyers understood the the subtle 'message' sent by PAG if
either were present, in the car or the parts system. That is why these
roll cage mounts quickly disappeared from early US 2007 gt3 RS's.
Saludos,
Eduardo
Scottsdale
*Mooty once described the Roll Cage mounting plates as:
"flat plated welded to the tub (where rear passenger feet
will be if there were rear seats). those were done in factory
and the RS (rest of the world) bar front legs are mounted
and bolted to that plate.". The 997 gt3 RS Registry states
that: "None of the (USA) 2007 GT3 RS were supposed to
have Roll Cage mounting plates". But in fact a few early
ones came with it and the RS Registry made an attempt
to find out which early cars actually came with them...and
reported on it in their registry!
I know of a family that owned both an orange and a green RS with the mounting points and the Clubsport cages. In fact they live near your new home in AZ and I bet you would have enjoyed the colours!
You guys beat me to it. I have several friends with M4 GTS cars and I am amazed they came with the rollbar. Obviously there is a way to do it but this might have something more to do with the limited number of cars for the GTS as compared to the GT3.
BMW gets away with putting padding around its GTS rollacage & therefore passes US regulation. Look at the GTS rollcage closely & you can see the padding.
Very interesting rules you have in the U.S ,,,,,,,,,Australia is the complete opposite the clubsport cage is allowed to be factory fitted as our rule makers believe that the Auto manufacturer has a greater knowledge about his product than they do ........How ever fitting of aftermarket cages and seats require and engineering certification to prove that the cage and fitment meets all of the required standards ,,,,many aftermarket accessories are frowned upon by the so call rule makes down under .....
Blimey some rule makers thinking about the issue logically .... must be because of the british influence
11-17-2016, 10:46 AM
