Pazzo009

Hello everyone, I always like to think ahead so I wanted some opinions of people who have owned both cars. I currently have a 991S and thus far am very happy. I don't foresee much track use for my vehicles. Possibly 2-3 times per year.

I love Porsches and Ferraris...who doesn't, but my I wanted to see who can steer me in the wiser direction. I think both cars are gorgeous in their own respects. I assume the Ferrari sounds better. The GT3 tech wise will be better because it's newer. I would be leasing the GT3 if I was to get it, and financing the Ferrari if I was to get that. Mileage would be 5000 to 8000 per year. To own either car and make it a garage queen seems foolish and wasteful. The Porsche seems to be more practical and will get less attention that the 430, which I prefer. The Porsche will be under warranty and more reliable (once they get new engines). I've read the 430's are pretty reliable but I've heard some stories about clutch replacement and Carbon brakes if equipped.

If you are knowledgeable about both, please school me. Especially about the merits of owning a Ferrari.

parkerfe

Buy the GT3. While I have not owned a 430, I have owned 6 different Ferrari models and 3 Porsche and I can assure you that a Porsche is ALWAYS more practical, reliable and less expensive to maintain, new or used. A Ferrari, including a 430, attracts more attention and sounds different, most people say better, likely in part due to their relative rarity compared to a Porsche. I spent 20 years of Ferrari ownership and I do not see myself buying another one. I never liked the attention that much and the sound is just not worth the cost of ownership to me any longer. Since reliability, fuel efficiently, build quality and practicality are all measures of performance, even with minute differences in 0-60 or top speed specs between the two marques, a Porsche still trumps a Ferrari in overall performance.

Conekilr

Having driven both the F430 and Scud on track but never owning one, if I were not going to get a 991 GT3, I would have gone for a Scuderia.
I have also driven a 458 on the track and given a choice between that and the Scud, I would have chosen the Scud. The F1 transmission in the Scud still has some of the feel on the manual shifting transmission as it's a bit slower than the newer transmission in the 458 which I liked.
I'm hoping that the 991 GT3 has a slightly better feel that the F1 in the Scud, but not slick as the 458's tranny in feel.

If you get a chance, drive them and you'll get a better idea as this is such an individual thing. Exotic Racing in LV is great for trying some of these cars. Well worth the money IMO.

I've chosen the GT3 because the 991 GT3 meets my criteria; mostly w/end driving with 3-4 track days a year...

Tacet-Conundrum

The prices on the 430s and Scuds are falling I feel pretty quick. It's funny those Ferrari fanatics that are into the current V8 Coup-Ehs will drop their current car for the most current V8, for instance the newest F458. Put personally if I was going to purchase a new F car it would be a V12 FF or the new Berlinetta. Do you want to spend $300K+ on a new Ferrari or a fully restored AC ACE BRISTOL?

Further you should probably take into account what the new 3RS is going to look like. What are they going to do for power? Increased displacement, finally an H8 engine, finally going to strap forced induction onto it? Will they go backwards and put a sports seven speed in the car? Questions questions questions.

Twosherpaz

The base 430 is less desireable than a .1 GT3. Less fun to drive, more attention. The Scud is a great car if you don't mind having only two pedals. The unmentioned .2 RS is superior to all cars you mentioned in my opinion.

carcommander

I have owned both. I owned a F430 for 4 years. A great car. It's not just the sound the feel is different. A Ferrari is an exotic. Frank, to my knowledge, never owned a 360, 430 or 458. I have owned or own all of them. If you can afford it, get one you won't be sorry.

I will have a Ferrari and a Porsche as long as I can.

I would rather have a F430 than any GT3. Just my opinion. I sold 11 GT3RS and at the time kept my F430.

Smoltz

If you love cars and have the means to buy a Ferrari and are willing to adjust your expectations a bit with respect to maintenance and reliability compared to a new Porsche, it's definitely something worth trying. I owned a bunch of German cars over the years, several M3s, S4, 996 C4S. Finally bit the bullet on a 360 a few years ago and was hooked, in a 360 Challenge Stradale now, not the fastest but it's an experience like very few other cars I've driven.

Are you going to be replacing your 991S with this, or adding? If you want the refinement of the Porsche with a bit more emotion, the 458 might be right up your alley.

Pazzo009

Thank you everyone. You all raise some good points. If i do make a putsches like this it will not be for at least a year. I have a F10 M5 and the 991s. They will both go. I love having the best of both worlds so I have evaluate where I stand finically because do I down size and get the new M3 sedan and a GT3 or a 430...Or do I just get a GT3 or 430(scud?)...Where I live I do a lot of driving, so If I have only one fun car to drive, I will do 10k miles per year easy...which doing with a Ferrari will just not feel right.

RossL

Not sure where you get your info from but Scud prices have held almost flat the last 2 years that I've owned/watched them.

Pazzo009

I agree…and I assume that will stay like that. Look at Challenge Stradales. Still $150,000+

John@Fabspeed

Scud right now has excellent potential to be a money maker in the future. I bet that Scud and especially 16M prices will start to steadily increase over the next years with cars getting less and less connected to the driver.

With that being said, I would never buy a car just to make a dollar 10 years down the road.. It's all about what you want from the car. Sure, there are sacrifices to be made with the Scud. You will get more attention, but you can get a nice darker color to help avoid some of that. The car is not a daily driver however when planned properly can be a great addition to a trip, or even the reason for the trip in the first place.

I think that while the GT3 will likely outperform the Scud, that the Scud will be more emotionally raw and carry more of a sense of occasion when going out for a drive. Depends what you want from your fun car IMO..

Pazzo009

This is very well said….and yes, no one should ever consider investment when buying a car like this. It's not about that…It's work vs. reward, and it's a passion.

jlee504

What kind of prices are you guys seeing on Scuds?

PasPar2

do you want a sort of undercover exotic or the most attention getting modern exotic? aside from the feel on the track or a twisty road in the hills, one will get you noticed MUCH more than the other.

carcommander

I agree my black 458 gets a lot less attention than my red 430. My turbo actually gets about the same attention as my 458.

Scuds with less than 10k and no stories bring about 180k.