What info do you want from PAG/PCNA?
#1
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What info do you want from PAG/PCNA?
On Mar. 17th, PCNA said they would "provide add'l. info w/in the next three weeks". For those of us that still have not made a decision to keep/take the '14 GT3...what info do you need?
As my car is in prod., my list includes:
-what is the schedule for the 'new engine' completion for existing cars, as well as the cars stuck in prod?
-compensation, add'l. warranty, etc.?
-why should I have confidence in the 'new engine'?
-are there any other components that have been reworked?
-will there be ANY difference between a MY '14 and MY '15 GT3 engine?
-and a 'I can only dream' answer to the question...what was the reason for the '13 delivery delays?...squash the Rumors!
feel free to add your own...
As my car is in prod., my list includes:
-what is the schedule for the 'new engine' completion for existing cars, as well as the cars stuck in prod?
-compensation, add'l. warranty, etc.?
-why should I have confidence in the 'new engine'?
-are there any other components that have been reworked?
-will there be ANY difference between a MY '14 and MY '15 GT3 engine?
-and a 'I can only dream' answer to the question...what was the reason for the '13 delivery delays?...squash the Rumors!
feel free to add your own...
#2
All of the above, plus:
- My car will have been at port for nearly two months by the time of the next announcement, and there are many others in the same situation. Who's paying for the extensive detailing, and what else will be done for all cars sitting for months on end (delivered or not), as I can't imagine that's optimal for the car.
- Will cars at port be delivered to dealers for the procedure, and if so, when?
- How is Andreas Preuninger doing?
- Will those of us who had their delivery dates initially delayed by Porsche before the stop-sale be further penalized by having our swaps done at a later date?
- Could you fly Maria Sharapova out here for a tennis lesson? Please and thank you.
- My car will have been at port for nearly two months by the time of the next announcement, and there are many others in the same situation. Who's paying for the extensive detailing, and what else will be done for all cars sitting for months on end (delivered or not), as I can't imagine that's optimal for the car.
- Will cars at port be delivered to dealers for the procedure, and if so, when?
- How is Andreas Preuninger doing?
- Will those of us who had their delivery dates initially delayed by Porsche before the stop-sale be further penalized by having our swaps done at a later date?
- Could you fly Maria Sharapova out here for a tennis lesson? Please and thank you.
#3
As a GT3 owner, I'm looking primarily for answers to two questions:
1. The detailed explanation of the "fix" in the replacement engine, i.e. is it structurally new connecting rod bolts, new connecting rod itself, etc. +/- different torqueing procedure OR is it just tolerance spec tightening for suppliers using same bolt type/connecting rod/fastener system (indicating no component design change) +/- different torqueing procedure .... this translates to confidence in the 9A1 engine design and confidence on track (and DD use)
2. Is there a 1-2 year engine warranty extension on top of daily loss of use and depreciation protection cash compensation
Appreciate this thread ...
1. The detailed explanation of the "fix" in the replacement engine, i.e. is it structurally new connecting rod bolts, new connecting rod itself, etc. +/- different torqueing procedure OR is it just tolerance spec tightening for suppliers using same bolt type/connecting rod/fastener system (indicating no component design change) +/- different torqueing procedure .... this translates to confidence in the 9A1 engine design and confidence on track (and DD use)
2. Is there a 1-2 year engine warranty extension on top of daily loss of use and depreciation protection cash compensation
Appreciate this thread ...
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A former product specialist, Melissa Witek works for Porsche Cars North America. She was an actress, former Miss Florida USA and model before she went into marketing for Porsche.
"It's pretty funny when a guy comes up and says, 'Well, you don't know much about this car,' and then I rattle off the horse power, the torque, what the camshafts and the pistons do and when they fire," she says. "I like to put people in their place." As might be expected, she got asked a lot of goofy questions. Her favorite is "Do you come with the car?"
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#8
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As a GT3 owner, I'm looking primarily for answers to two questions:
1. The detailed explanation of the "fix" in the replacement engine, i.e. is it structurally new connecting rod bolts, new connecting rod itself, etc. +/- different torqueing procedure OR is it just tolerance spec tightening for suppliers using same bolt type/connecting rod/fastener system (indicating no component design change) +/- different torqueing procedure .... this translates to confidence in the 9A1 engine design and confidence on track (and DD use)
2. Is there a 1-2 year engine warranty extension on top of daily loss of use and depreciation protection cash compensation
Appreciate this thread ...
1. The detailed explanation of the "fix" in the replacement engine, i.e. is it structurally new connecting rod bolts, new connecting rod itself, etc. +/- different torqueing procedure OR is it just tolerance spec tightening for suppliers using same bolt type/connecting rod/fastener system (indicating no component design change) +/- different torqueing procedure .... this translates to confidence in the 9A1 engine design and confidence on track (and DD use)
2. Is there a 1-2 year engine warranty extension on top of daily loss of use and depreciation protection cash compensation
Appreciate this thread ...
I suppose if one doesn't trust that Porsche can design an "optimized screw connection" then one shouldn't keep the car. But for those who are looking for confidence like GTEE3, we're not getting a newly designed, untested engine, we're getting an engine that has been tested successfully for thousands and thousands of hours that had one troublesome (to say the least) part in production that is now being upgraded. Personally, I'm not too concerned about the "new engine" being robust after the fix.
#9
I suppose if one doesn't trust that Porsche can design an "optimized screw connection" then one shouldn't keep the car. But for those who are looking for confidence, we're not getting a newly designed, untested engine, we're getting an engine that has been tested successfully for thousands and thousands of hours that had one troublesome (to say the least) part that is now being upgraded. Personally, I'm not too concerned.....
#11
Obviously I don't know the answer to 2 and we haven't been given a detailed explanation for 1 and I know I'm not really answering the question posed by the thread. But just to be clear, we have been told by PCNA that a "loosened piston rod screw connection" was the culprit and that an "optimized screw connection" has been designed and is being tested. Based on other information we've received the implication is that the old connection was too sensitive to production tolerances. I suppose if one doesn't trust that Porsche can design an "optimized screw connection" then one shouldn't keep the car. But for those who are looking for confidence like GTEE3, we're not getting a newly designed, untested engine, we're getting an engine that has been tested successfully for thousands and thousands of hours that had one troublesome (to say the least) part in production that is now being upgraded. Personally, I'm not too concerned about the "new engine" being robust after the fix.
#13
I suppose if one doesn't trust that Porsche can design an "optimized screw connection" then one shouldn't keep the car. But for those who are looking for confidence like GTEE3, we're not getting a newly designed, untested engine, we're getting an engine that has been tested successfully for thousands and thousands of hours that had one troublesome (to say the least) part in production that is now being upgraded. Personally, I'm not too concerned about the "new engine" being robust after the fix.
Although I think that Porsche will get this right, the difference between design change and tolerance specificiation tightening is nonetheless a detail of import ...
#14
Race Director
To suggest that asking for more detail, so as to understand the failure process better, equates to "one shouldn't keep the car" is patronizing. Ownership satisfaction hinges on multiple factors and the nuances of engine failure is certainly of import .... to ask current owners and future owners to not be concerned about the detail is a somewhat stifling attitude.
Although I think that Porsche will get this right, the difference between design change and tolerance specificiation tightening is nonetheless a detail of import ...
Although I think that Porsche will get this right, the difference between design change and tolerance specificiation tightening is nonetheless a detail of import ...
Ultimately, though, there has to be a certain amount of faith that the manufacturer knows what they're doing. There are literally hundreds of details about how the car is built that we're not privy to. If one can't muster that faith, then no matter what details are provided (how does one know Porsche is telling the truth?), one should probably not keep the car.
You asked relevant questions. To your point, I was trying to make clear that it was a design change that would be less sensitive to manufacturing tolerances, and not just a tightening spec change, that was the issue, at least according to PCNA. My comment wasn't intended as a put down of your post in any way.
#15
I just came back from the factory and my new car sat in Amsterdam for over a month before it was shipped to Emden. My guess is that every GT3 sitting in port will go back to the factory where the engine change will take place. The cars leave the factory with a protective film on them and my guess will be the cars will get detailed and put back on the transport to Emden.