rayng

How many can p12s can they build? What's the U.S. allocation? If the P1 is really faster than 918 on the ring, then McLaren really has the edge. Why do car companies like McLaren and even Nissan take such close aim at Porsche? Why do they build cars just to compete with Porsches? Because it's our money they are all after. We are nuts to spend as much time and money on our cars. But there's no substitute.

As an aside, for full time back up camera (while driving), get the Tesla Model S with tech package and the backup camera and parking sensors. Great car.

TRAKCAR

With a manual

jlee504

It's crazy. There has been a run on mclarens. Cars that have been sitting around are getting snatched up so dealers aren't moving as much on orice because they are driving it back up.

Bruce P

That's not what I am seeing. Several cars less than $190K still available and been sitting for several weeks/months. No less than 2 spiders had their price dropped today by $10K. The rollout of the 650s will increase the used supply of MP4's. On Mclarenlife a person just bought a 2012 with 3K miles for $172900.

Zeus

All very valid points, and I agree with you on all of them. I wish I had worded my post differently... I meant to turn the discussion (hopefully with the help of the true track rats around here) in the direction of which type of engine gives the owner a few of the following things:

1.) Reliability
2.) Emotion
3.) NA vs. Turbo - throttle response, high(er) rpm's, sound vs. more torque, better mpg's, turbo lag, etc... Which engine, NA or Turbo, sheds heat better?

It would be great if McLaren & Ricardo developed a NA version of their V8 for the P13. But I think pigs will fly before that happens.

irish guitar

Lovely cars. Just as a point of reference, a 2012 12C just sold last week for $178.5k. It had less than 300 miles on it.

jlee504

That's impressive and exactly what I've been looking for. I've been following th thread on the 172.5k car. Sounds like a steal, but I've been searching for a car from a dealer so I can get the extended warranty and do the upgrades. The extended warranty is only available through a selling dealer. I've gone to several dealers and found that you have to definitely see the car, a lot of the preowned ones I saw had bad swirl marks so I've been looking for one that is really like new.

Where was the one with 300 miles on it? I've extended a few offers from 185k to 190k and they all passed. Seem to be waiting for 200k

Jeff

irish guitar

It was here: http://www.fantasyjunction.com/

They had it listed for a long while at $190-something. I can't remember, exactly, sorry. I checked back on it occasionally, and as soon as they lowered to $178.5k it was snapped up. You can find pictures and details in their 'sold cars' listings. Car was as-new. Great buy for someone.

Vivian.

jlee504

Thanks Vivian.

Didn't even know about that site, very cool. The car is actually a fairly base car for whats out there, so $178.5K seems right. There definitely is a slight premium being paid for really, almost new, cars.

Great site!

Jeff

GrantG

Ok - I get it. Yes, I think the GT3 could be the more emotional of the two with better throttle response (which allows one to drive right on the edge more easily). On the McLaren forums, they are quoting McLaren execs that are saying the next release will offer zero throttle lag which is causing some to speculate that the P13 will either be normally aspirated or have some of the P1-style electric motors used for "torque-fill". There is also the possibility of a V-6. Could be interesting...

GrantG

Another new 650S review:
http://www.autoblog.com/2014/04/10/2...-review-video/

Jimmy-D

I think you will also start seeing tri-turbos in the not so distant future. I heard this would eliminate any turbo lag. Also heard Porsche has been toying with this

Zeus

Yep. Heard the McLaren V6 (Turbo) rumor myself. Also 458 replacement going turbo, 991 GT3 being the last NA version, 911 hybrid for next gen model, heck...hybrid or turbo everything from Porsche & McLaren. Mercedes execs being 'told' by regulators to minimize displacement/go turbo/go hybrid or risk having all future cars limited on power output. The list goes on... Makes me puke thinking about said politicians burning hundreds of millions of gallons of jet fuel per year to promote/regulate 'climate change' or other such drivel.

I just hope car makers don't forget that the heart & soul of every sports car is the engine. Love turbo and NA engines equally. They both have their pros/cons .

In my book; biggest mystery in the car world right now is why some manufacturers are beginning to push the eco/environmental/CO2 mantra almost to the point of the draconian US & EU laws - and other manufacturers are embracing (in some cases) large diplacement NA engines.

Clocked

Today I test drove the 12c. Just my opinion. I am 6 feet 2 inches. Hard for me to get in and out of the car without hitting my head. Car is fast but the shift time between first and second there is a lag. Unlike my 458 Ferrari which has no lag time. Handles great, like the independent suspension. Air brake is very cool except when it happens the first time and you can't see out of the rear view mirror.

For me, I am passing. It was just too much trouble getting in and out of the car.

As far as the GT3 which is on the production floor since 2/14 at V270 with no engine in it, PNA told me today when I spoke with them that my car is expected to be completed on 4/15. I questioned how is that possible when the letter from Tim Quinn said new engines will be produced starting the week of 4/22. The response was "we show your car will be done on 4/15". I then asked will the defective engine be put in it as there will be no new engines until 4/22, the response was "that could happen that you get the defective engine and your dealer will have to replace it".

If this illogical event occurs (defective engine put in and dealer fixes it with a replacement engine) I will become the ANTI Porsche Ambassador forever.

I have sent a email to Tim Quinn to clarify what is planned for my car. I will post his response if I get one.

I will keep the group posted.

Zeus

^^^

I have been trying to keep up on both the stop sale & compensation threads here in the GT3 section, but due to time I have maybe read through 80-90% of them.

I would have posted many times in each thread, but words simply fail me when trying to relay my thoughts & feelings to all those involved. If this had happened 3 years from now, I most likely would be in like company. Needless to say, as a possible future buyer of a GT, 960 and any Porsche model - I am definitely keeping a close eye on how this ultimately pans out for all of you. Porsche better be thinking about how they treat current GT3 owners, and how it will weigh heavily on the buying decisions made by possible future owners.

I'll be there, lurking in the background, reading your posts...