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Old 03-22-2014, 01:18 PM
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Engine problem is "homemade" - not a supplier's issue according to german mag Wirtschaftswoche:

http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/auto/...n/9649612.html

Fabrication tolerances (as set by Porsche) not tight enough....
I tried to paste with my Google translator but it refusing to paste here.

There apparently are regulations regarding replacing engines and compensation when that happens. If someone can get the article to translate that would be great.
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Not as a supplier , but the Porsche production have worked with large tolerances and therefore caused the engine damage , learned the business week from Porsche circles. " The supplier is not at fault ," said a Porsche executives of the journal. The selected tolerances were set in a way that could solve under high load the rod bolts from Titan with the 475 -hp high-performance engine of the GT3 and the crankcase damaged . In two cases it was thereby come to fires.
Porsche is now not only all already delivered cars fitted with new engines , but also ensure that the owners through the exchange no disadvantages . The sports car manufacturer is negotiating with regulatory authorities on a regime that prevents the engine swap leads to an impairment. For example, the vehicle papers may be re-issued . In addition, damages in preparation, although they would be negotiated individually with the vehicle owners . In mid-February , the production of the 911 GT3 was stopped and has started a recall . Since then, the expensive cars are silent.
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That's pretty interesting.
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Originally Posted by Nick
Engine problem is "homemade" - not a supplier's issue according to german mag Wirtschaftswoche: http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/auto/...n/9649612.html Fabrication tolerances (as set by Porsche) not tight enough.... I tried to paste with my Google translator but it refusing to paste here. There apparently are regulations regarding replacing engines and compensation when that happens. If someone can get the article to translate that would be great.
Great find, Nick.

Also, I would assume that consumer protection as well as litigation culture vary from market to market, region to region...

I would imagine that in house counsel have likely been working as hard or harder than the engineers these last several weeks--in order to determine equitable packages for the various scenarios (the "stage" of owner, the market they reside in, regional Porsche management and their input on the impact of the packages on brand loyalty).

Would not be surprised at all that it results in different packages for each market. After all, to start with, there are different pricing structures and different standard warranty details in different markets. This will be a market by market solution.
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The only thing I'd be pissed about is if one person ends up getting something ridiculous like a fat check plus warranty and someone else ends up "hung out to dry" so to speak (e.g. well take the car back or fix it and give it to you...thats it). Not that I believe that would happen, but this whole "individual compensation package bit" is still a bit unnerving.
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Originally Posted by sechsgang
The only thing I'd be pissed about is if one person ends up getting something ridiculous like a fat check plus warranty and someone else ends up "hung out to dry" so to speak (e.g. well take the car back or fix it and give it to you...thats it). Not that I believe that would happen, but this whole "individual compensation package bit" is still a bit unnerving.
I can see this happening in other markets, Sechsgang. In the US? I think it's going to be different formulas for each "group" of owners and that formula will likely be applied to each individual owner's situation to calculate the remedy.
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Here is a scan of the translation; They could make all the cars with replaced engine 2015's.

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Interesting, wonder if they will de-tune the engine
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Interesting, wonder if they will de-tune the engine
If they did I would get rid of the car so fast even Porsche's PR couldn't keep up...errr...wait...nevermind that's not that fast.
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Originally Posted by sechsgang
If they did I would get rid of the car so fast even Porsche's PR couldn't keep up...errr...wait...nevermind that's not that fast.
LOL
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Originally Posted by Jaypod
Interesting, wonder if they will de-tune the engine
If I understand this correctly, the parts weren't over-stressed they were assembled with incorrect tolerances. Once the manufacturing spec is corrected there's no reason why the engine should be detuned.

BTW, nice find Nick. Thanks for posting.
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My friend had an engine failure affecting his 997 GT3RS due to a human error manufacturing defect affecting the actuator bolts on the timing chain.
New engine was shipped from Germany.
If several more RSs had that problem and if fire ensued, the RSs would have been recalled the same way our cars did, Mezger engine and all.
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Originally Posted by 0Q991
Great find, Nick.
Nick didn't 'find' this. It was posted in Rennteam and he is just re-posting it in this forum. They have some active members that are well connected & often post breaking news on the subject from Germany. There are many Rennlisters actively involved in that forum too. Suggest the rest of you monitor it every once in a while.

http://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?vs=3#post16

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Originally Posted by Z356
Nick didn't 'find' this. It was posted in Rennteam and he is just re-posting it in this forum. They have some active members that are well connected & often post breaking news on the subject from Germany. There are many Rennlisters actively involved in that forum too. Suggest the rest of you monitor it every once in a while. http://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?vs=3#post16 Saludos, Eduardo Carmel .
Thanks for the info, Eduardo.

Then, I'll reword--Thanks for posting this here, Nick. Appreciate it.
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Originally Posted by Z356
Nick didn't 'find' this. It was posted in Rennteam and he is just re-posting it in this forum. They have some active members that are well connected & often post breaking news on the subject from Germany. There are many Rennlisters actively involved in that forum too. Suggest the rest of you monitor it every once in a while.

http://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?vs=3#post16

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