New GT3 problems less than C7 Vette
03-19-2014, 10:31 PM
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New GT3 problems less than C7 Vette
Please realize, I'm not bashing Corvettes. I've owned a half dozen.
But I thought it might be good to keep the GT3's problems in proper perspective.
I think Mike in CA mentioned two small GT3 problems so far, a thermostat and something else minor. And then of course the major problem with the engine failure.
The Corvette Forum thread for reporting issues with the new C7 has well over a dozen different problems listed. A number of them are clearly build quality related with paint and or fit and finish issues.
You would expect better overall quality control on an expensive Porsche versus a GM product. And all though not perfect, I guess I want to point out that Porsche owners are largely getting what they paid for.
GM's ignition switch problem and subsequent recall was swept under the rug for close to 10 years. If two Corvettes would have caught on fire due to engine problems, do you think they would be acknowledging the problem in 30 days and and agreeing to replace the motors on every C7 built so far? I strongly suspect GM would still be in the very early stages of denial.
Given the above, I prefer to look upon the replacement GT3 engines as a glass half full instead of half empty. I still have mine on order although the build date will be pushed back.
But I thought it might be good to keep the GT3's problems in proper perspective.
I think Mike in CA mentioned two small GT3 problems so far, a thermostat and something else minor. And then of course the major problem with the engine failure.
The Corvette Forum thread for reporting issues with the new C7 has well over a dozen different problems listed. A number of them are clearly build quality related with paint and or fit and finish issues.
You would expect better overall quality control on an expensive Porsche versus a GM product. And all though not perfect, I guess I want to point out that Porsche owners are largely getting what they paid for.
GM's ignition switch problem and subsequent recall was swept under the rug for close to 10 years. If two Corvettes would have caught on fire due to engine problems, do you think they would be acknowledging the problem in 30 days and and agreeing to replace the motors on every C7 built so far? I strongly suspect GM would still be in the very early stages of denial.
Given the above, I prefer to look upon the replacement GT3 engines as a glass half full instead of half empty. I still have mine on order although the build date will be pushed back.
03-20-2014, 12:15 AM
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I did not read every C7 repair post, just the first few pages out of many, so I don't know about any C7 engine replacements, nor have I heard of any.
Engine problems aren't unique to Porsche. I owned a new 2001 Z06 with the common problem of leaky rings that resulted in excessive oil consumption. As I recall GM ended up having to rebuild many of these engines with new pistons and rings. I ended up solving the problem, $20k later, by having Lingenfelter rebuild my engine. The 2001 Z06 never fully recovered from this stigma as the 2002 engine not only was redesigned to more completely solve the problem but also improved in horsepower.
Personally, I would rather have a pull out and plug in engine replacement than have to have body or paint work done due to poor quality control.
It took three attempts by the Chevy dealer before a Millenium Yellow re-paint would either stay stuck to my Z06 and or match the rest of the car.
Call me a slow learner, but despite these issues I bought a 2007 Vette afterwards, then switched to a 2009 C2S 911.
Engine problems aren't unique to Porsche. I owned a new 2001 Z06 with the common problem of leaky rings that resulted in excessive oil consumption. As I recall GM ended up having to rebuild many of these engines with new pistons and rings. I ended up solving the problem, $20k later, by having Lingenfelter rebuild my engine. The 2001 Z06 never fully recovered from this stigma as the 2002 engine not only was redesigned to more completely solve the problem but also improved in horsepower.
Personally, I would rather have a pull out and plug in engine replacement than have to have body or paint work done due to poor quality control.
It took three attempts by the Chevy dealer before a Millenium Yellow re-paint would either stay stuck to my Z06 and or match the rest of the car.
Call me a slow learner, but despite these issues I bought a 2007 Vette afterwards, then switched to a 2009 C2S 911.
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03-20-2014, 11:27 AM
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Perfection does not exist with things made by man.
Failures are to be expected with machines.
The question is to what degree.
Also what level of service is provided by the manufacturer to solve inevitable problems. But in my ownership experience, GM has more problems than Porsche. This doesn't make the C7 a bad car. I was merely pointing out
that it had more problems (so far) than the GT3.
Failures are to be expected with machines.
The question is to what degree.
Also what level of service is provided by the manufacturer to solve inevitable problems. But in my ownership experience, GM has more problems than Porsche. This doesn't make the C7 a bad car. I was merely pointing out
that it had more problems (so far) than the GT3.
03-20-2014, 12:06 PM
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Please realize, I'm not bashing Corvettes. I've owned a half dozen.
But I thought it might be good to keep the GT3's problems in proper perspective.
I think Mike in CA mentioned two small GT3 problems so far, a thermostat and something else minor. And then of course the major problem with the engine failure.
The Corvette Forum thread for reporting issues with the new C7 has well over a dozen different problems listed. A number of them are clearly build quality related with paint and or fit and finish issues.
You would expect better overall quality control on an expensive Porsche versus a GM product. And all though not perfect, I guess I want to point out that Porsche owners are largely getting what they paid for.
GM's ignition switch problem and subsequent recall was swept under the rug for close to 10 years. If two Corvettes would have caught on fire due to engine problems, do you think they would be acknowledging the problem in 30 days and and agreeing to replace the motors on every C7 built so far? I strongly suspect GM would still be in the very early stages of denial.
Given the above, I prefer to look upon the replacement GT3 engines as a glass half full instead of half empty. I still have mine on order although the build date will be pushed back.
But I thought it might be good to keep the GT3's problems in proper perspective.
I think Mike in CA mentioned two small GT3 problems so far, a thermostat and something else minor. And then of course the major problem with the engine failure.
The Corvette Forum thread for reporting issues with the new C7 has well over a dozen different problems listed. A number of them are clearly build quality related with paint and or fit and finish issues.
You would expect better overall quality control on an expensive Porsche versus a GM product. And all though not perfect, I guess I want to point out that Porsche owners are largely getting what they paid for.
GM's ignition switch problem and subsequent recall was swept under the rug for close to 10 years. If two Corvettes would have caught on fire due to engine problems, do you think they would be acknowledging the problem in 30 days and and agreeing to replace the motors on every C7 built so far? I strongly suspect GM would still be in the very early stages of denial.
Given the above, I prefer to look upon the replacement GT3 engines as a glass half full instead of half empty. I still have mine on order although the build date will be pushed back.
whats your point here? As others have said "Just because someone else is worse is not an excuse for my bad. "
Also, how you know the GT3 does not or will not have other issues? How long has the C7 been out vs the Gt3? How big is your sampling pool?
BTW you missed a bunch of stuff on the C7 like diffs w/o enough fluid and Iphones burning up.
03-20-2014, 12:35 PM
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OP, let me save you some time and energy.
Dont bother making observations such as these, because the majority of replies that you are going to get are from bitter gt3 hating enthusiasts.
Most gt3 owners (myself included) have stopped reading most posts because its become tiresome.
Rennlist is becoming the new 6speed...
Dont bother making observations such as these, because the majority of replies that you are going to get are from bitter gt3 hating enthusiasts.
Most gt3 owners (myself included) have stopped reading most posts because its become tiresome.
Rennlist is becoming the new 6speed...
03-20-2014, 03:45 PM
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haha, like how the OP is comparing a $50k base car to a $130k base car. Yet the $130k base car has a dramatically more serious problem than some initial quality issues of the C7 that are very quickly getting ironed out.
03-20-2014, 04:17 PM
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No, but it doesn't seem that Porsche's problem does either. From what we think we know, the repair could be done in the shop. Replacing the engine is simply a first class way to deal with the issue. I don't think we'd see the same from Chevy.
03-20-2014, 04:26 PM
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The point, as I mentioned in my original post, was to not to bash the C7 but to keep the GT3's problems in perspective. To some degree I was hoping that it would stop some of the gnashing of teeth over the GT3 issues.
But given some people distortion's of my remarks in their replies, I can see that I was way too optimistic.
But given some people distortion's of my remarks in their replies, I can see that I was way too optimistic.
