Owners who took delivery
03-12-2014, 02:44 AM
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It's been noted that among the most ardent supporters of the car are those who have had the benefit of actually driving it! As far as I can tell, from posts as well as several different PM convos offline, all with real world and track mileage are going to wait for the fix. No one is "happy," of course--BUT the car is worth the wait. That's what I gather. But, in case I'm overlooking silent parties, I wanted to know if there is anyone out there who has had the opportunity to take delivery and really rack up some miles who (at this point--pending a possible lengthy fix...) disagrees and plans on walking. Just curious. Thanks.
03-12-2014, 05:38 AM
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Funny side story: my Porsche dealer got very upset with me when they found that I tried to sell my car (above sticker, if I could) and took me off the list for the RS. When I told them that the only reason that I was selling the car directly was because they delivered it 6 months late, I got no answer. And when I explained that if I would have driven the GT3 for 6 months as planned, sold it myself (at whichever price) and ordered the RS, they would have loved me... no answer again. I guess Porsche ownership in Dubai is just not meant to be for me, which is very sad, because I do like their (sport) cars!
The RS may be a bit too stripped down for my taste for a street car. More your style though.
03-12-2014, 09:18 AM
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Thanks for the offer. But I'll get my wife to order one on her name in Abu Dhabi if I really want one... it doesn't look like it though!
03-12-2014, 10:50 AM
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I'm returning mine if the fix is a new engine, or other invasive procedure. Or, if I haven't gotten a definitive response from Porsche by the end of the week. Had it since 12/23/13.
I'm optimistic the dealer or Porsche will honor the return, but wont hesitate to invoke the lemon law if I get any pushback.
It's a really nice car, but in the end, just another car, and not worthy of brain damage or financial risk. I'd consider a 2015 after the dust settles.
I'm optimistic the dealer or Porsche will honor the return, but wont hesitate to invoke the lemon law if I get any pushback.
It's a really nice car, but in the end, just another car, and not worthy of brain damage or financial risk. I'd consider a 2015 after the dust settles.
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03-12-2014, 11:27 AM
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I'm probably one of the few that plans on walking, but that has nothing to do with the current issues.
I thought I had it all figured out. I would take delivery of my GT3 in August or September 2013 and drive it until my long awaited 458 Speciale would arrive somewhere in Q1 2014. At that time, I'd sell my GT3 (simply I'm not doing enough fun-miles to justify keeping both, next to the 1M) and order an RS, just in case my first Ferrari wouldn't turn out as special(e) as I expected it to be.
Reality: the GT3 didn't arrive until February, only 1 week prior to the 458 Speciale delivery. So rather than racking up a couple of (running-in) miles on the Porsche, I decided that I'd keep the Fiat and sell the GT3 straight away. Why? Because owning and driving a Ferrari (hard!) was an itch that needed to be scratched, because I was pretty sure the Speciale would be epic and also because of the dreadful experience with the Porsche dealer throughout the process, which was a bitter contrast with the great treatment at the Ferrari dealer.
Funny side story: my Porsche dealer got very upset with me when they found that I tried to sell my car (above sticker, if I could) and took me off the list for the RS. When I told them that the only reason that I was selling the car directly was because they delivered it 6 months late, I got no answer. And when I explained that if I would have driven the GT3 for 6 months as planned, sold it myself (at whichever price) and ordered the RS, they would have loved me... no answer again. I guess Porsche ownership in Dubai is just not meant to be for me, which is very sad, because I do like their (sport) cars!
When the stop-sale was announced, my car wasn't sold yet. So now I own a car that I cannot sell, drive nor even look at and no outlook on a quick resolution. Which is a bit annoying, but hey, you win some, you lose some! I'll see what happens, because unlike the USA, I don't expect the local dealer to allow people to give their cars back. Unless it's part of a global blanket package out of PAG, maybe?
The good news: the 458 Speciale is indeed epic: very hard-core and pure. Probably even more so than my old 997.1 GT3 RS. I've got my first track-day this weekend, I cannot wait!
I thought I had it all figured out. I would take delivery of my GT3 in August or September 2013 and drive it until my long awaited 458 Speciale would arrive somewhere in Q1 2014. At that time, I'd sell my GT3 (simply I'm not doing enough fun-miles to justify keeping both, next to the 1M) and order an RS, just in case my first Ferrari wouldn't turn out as special(e) as I expected it to be.
Reality: the GT3 didn't arrive until February, only 1 week prior to the 458 Speciale delivery. So rather than racking up a couple of (running-in) miles on the Porsche, I decided that I'd keep the Fiat and sell the GT3 straight away. Why? Because owning and driving a Ferrari (hard!) was an itch that needed to be scratched, because I was pretty sure the Speciale would be epic and also because of the dreadful experience with the Porsche dealer throughout the process, which was a bitter contrast with the great treatment at the Ferrari dealer.
Funny side story: my Porsche dealer got very upset with me when they found that I tried to sell my car (above sticker, if I could) and took me off the list for the RS. When I told them that the only reason that I was selling the car directly was because they delivered it 6 months late, I got no answer. And when I explained that if I would have driven the GT3 for 6 months as planned, sold it myself (at whichever price) and ordered the RS, they would have loved me... no answer again. I guess Porsche ownership in Dubai is just not meant to be for me, which is very sad, because I do like their (sport) cars!
When the stop-sale was announced, my car wasn't sold yet. So now I own a car that I cannot sell, drive nor even look at and no outlook on a quick resolution. Which is a bit annoying, but hey, you win some, you lose some! I'll see what happens, because unlike the USA, I don't expect the local dealer to allow people to give their cars back. Unless it's part of a global blanket package out of PAG, maybe?
The good news: the 458 Speciale is indeed epic: very hard-core and pure. Probably even more so than my old 997.1 GT3 RS. I've got my first track-day this weekend, I cannot wait!
03-12-2014, 12:20 PM
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https://rennlist.com/forums/991-gt3/...s-458-a-6.html
03-12-2014, 12:47 PM
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Interesting thread and great to hear from folks who dig the car despite all this chaos.
It seems to me that most of the negativity and outrage are stirred up by people who have never driven the car. TomTom's return is predictable and understood given the fact that he's pimping a Speciale. I consider that a special case, particularly since he decided to sell it before the stop sale.
So Bluehinder stands alone as a current owner who will dump the car as his enthusiasm for it does not outweigh the financial risk. So far.
Mine is still stuck somewhere in the motherland. I intend to still take delivery. I'm not interested in waiting for another allocation (if I could even get one) or waiting for the RS (if I could even get one).
It seems to me that most of the negativity and outrage are stirred up by people who have never driven the car. TomTom's return is predictable and understood given the fact that he's pimping a Speciale. I consider that a special case, particularly since he decided to sell it before the stop sale.
So Bluehinder stands alone as a current owner who will dump the car as his enthusiasm for it does not outweigh the financial risk. So far.
Mine is still stuck somewhere in the motherland. I intend to still take delivery. I'm not interested in waiting for another allocation (if I could even get one) or waiting for the RS (if I could even get one).
03-12-2014, 12:54 PM
#28
frayed,
It's really not the financial risk, more at some point enough is enough. That's this Saturday for me.
I try not to romanticize inanimate objects, it's just a another car, and I want to get on with driving.
It's really not the financial risk, more at some point enough is enough. That's this Saturday for me.
I try not to romanticize inanimate objects, it's just a another car, and I want to get on with driving.
03-12-2014, 01:02 PM
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^ I feel sorta the same way, I guess. I will wait this out til maybe end of the month...the weather here still sucks.
I will not wait longer than that because I want to drive something more edgy than a 991 c2s.
I have no problem with whatever solution is decided upon. I just won't wait very long for it.
I'll simply come back to a gt3 at a later date...
I will not wait longer than that because I want to drive something more edgy than a 991 c2s.
I have no problem with whatever solution is decided upon. I just won't wait very long for it.
I'll simply come back to a gt3 at a later date...
03-12-2014, 01:08 PM
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So stated another way, your enthusiasm for the car doesn't outweigh the displeasure of this whole engine fiasco.
I get that. But it begs the question, if we weren't all here conversing on the internet on and on about our massive first world problem (currently unresolved 9a1 engine issues in our new toys), would you still be unhappy enough to ask for a refund? I think forums like this, while generally enriching the ownership experience of cars, also amplify the negative; I see this as a Defcon 3 situation turned into Defcon 1. IMO.
I've taken a huge step back and looked at the situation a bit more holistically. From my vantage point, age, net worth, job demands, kids' ages, other toys to play with, and potential downside of a 2014 'tainted' GT3, I am leaning to take the risk of ownership to get my car. To me, while under warranty, the only tangible risk is high depreciation. I'll take that risk b/c I don't think it will happen, depending on the nature of the problem and the nature of the fix.