other problems with the GT3
03-06-2014, 05:49 PM
#31
Rennlist Member
That's actually a huge number for catastrophic destruction and about equal to what Toyota was facing in the 'stuck accelerator' recall. The technical term for the two that caught fire is 'infant mortality'. And 2/800 or so is large. That would stop any production line I've been associated with and might get people fired.
03-06-2014, 09:21 PM
#32
Rennlist Member
I think you guys need to be patient here, these fires occurred in 2 cars out of a population of how many (1000?) that's like a 0.1% failure rate. They have to carry out a forensic analysis of the two cars that burned, postulate the various failure modes that may have resulted in the fire, then attempt to replicate/(in)validate those postulates, then complete the root cause analysis not only identifying the actual failure mode, but also what caused the failure, was it design, material/manufacturing problems, assembly issues, etc
This all takes time and painstaking engineering methodologies, its analogous to the sort of task undertaken after a plane crashes ... so dont expect this to happen overnight. Porsche's (and your) #1 concern should be that the issue is correctly identified and resolved.
This all takes time and painstaking engineering methodologies, its analogous to the sort of task undertaken after a plane crashes ... so dont expect this to happen overnight. Porsche's (and your) #1 concern should be that the issue is correctly identified and resolved.
+1
03-06-2014, 10:10 PM
#33
Drifting
strange that nobody posted pictures of the 2nd car that supposedly caught fire. Either way Porsche has identified two cars caught fire.
03-06-2014, 10:16 PM
#34
03-06-2014, 11:15 PM
#36
Originally Posted by snabbgt3
GT3 been in garage since "do not drive" edict ... started engine 2 days ago in garage/driveway.
Both the "Reduced engine performance ... possible to drive on" and "Fault engine control ... possible to drive on" warnings came up on the dash.
These did not go away with restart. Parked the car. Depressing..
Rennlisters, please note:
In reference to coolant regulator/thermostat recall campaign, statement from my dealer:
"Looks like 173 vehicles are involved. I will have service check your VIN tomorrow. This campaign is scope specific to the VIN. To quote Porsche "There is a possibility that coolant regulators that do not meet the required specifications may have been installed on the affected vehicles over a limited time period." "
Indeed, within 48 hours (on Feb 28, 2014) my GT3 was identified as one of these 173. My GT3 was delivered 01/07/2014.
My own comments:
All GT3 owners should inquire with their dealers if their delivered GT3 is one of these 173 vehicles.
Also please note the following concerning the RWS subsystem and cam sensors:
1. RWS update - as per PAG bulletin this should be addressed at time of coolant regulator recall ... apparently not all of the GT3s being involved in this coolant regulator campaign needs the RWS control module update. I understand the VIN can be checked to see if your vehicle needs RWS update.
2. cam sensors (4) - some U.S. GT3s have had them replaced, apparently due to supplier quality/spec issue ... please check if your GT3 needs this, by checking VIN. A bulletin by PAG should be available.
Below photo is my car being flatbedded to dealer today, in snowy PA, after noting two dash warnings (see top of post) ... persistent dash warnings making me uncomfortable keeping vehicle in garage. Both warnings again on dash immediately on starting car today, when driving up onto ramp. I've only had 98 octane EtOH-free gas in this car ... never ethanol, so shouldn't be the gas.
GT3 been in garage since "do not drive" edict ... started engine 2 days ago in garage/driveway.
Both the "Reduced engine performance ... possible to drive on" and "Fault engine control ... possible to drive on" warnings came up on the dash.
These did not go away with restart. Parked the car. Depressing..
Rennlisters, please note:
In reference to coolant regulator/thermostat recall campaign, statement from my dealer:
"Looks like 173 vehicles are involved. I will have service check your VIN tomorrow. This campaign is scope specific to the VIN. To quote Porsche "There is a possibility that coolant regulators that do not meet the required specifications may have been installed on the affected vehicles over a limited time period." "
Indeed, within 48 hours (on Feb 28, 2014) my GT3 was identified as one of these 173. My GT3 was delivered 01/07/2014.
My own comments:
All GT3 owners should inquire with their dealers if their delivered GT3 is one of these 173 vehicles.
Also please note the following concerning the RWS subsystem and cam sensors:
1. RWS update - as per PAG bulletin this should be addressed at time of coolant regulator recall ... apparently not all of the GT3s being involved in this coolant regulator campaign needs the RWS control module update. I understand the VIN can be checked to see if your vehicle needs RWS update.
2. cam sensors (4) - some U.S. GT3s have had them replaced, apparently due to supplier quality/spec issue ... please check if your GT3 needs this, by checking VIN. A bulletin by PAG should be available.
Below photo is my car being flatbedded to dealer today, in snowy PA, after noting two dash warnings (see top of post) ... persistent dash warnings making me uncomfortable keeping vehicle in garage. Both warnings again on dash immediately on starting car today, when driving up onto ramp. I've only had 98 octane EtOH-free gas in this car ... never ethanol, so shouldn't be the gas.
03-06-2014, 11:33 PM
#37
Rennlist Member
I honestly can't wait to get the car. These issues will be fixed and long gone from memory. Just watch some of the video reviews recently posted to remind you of why you chose this car.
I do feel for all you guys that already have your cars though. It will all be resolved soon.
I do feel for all you guys that already have your cars though. It will all be resolved soon.
03-07-2014, 12:10 AM
#38
I honestly can't wait to get the car. These issues will be fixed and long gone from memory. Just watch some of the video reviews recently posted to remind you of why you chose this car.
I do feel for all you guys that already have your cars though. It will all be resolved soon.
I do feel for all you guys that already have your cars though. It will all be resolved soon.
03-07-2014, 12:20 AM
#39
That's actually a huge number for catastrophic destruction and about equal to what Toyota was facing in the 'stuck accelerator' recall. The technical term for the two that caught fire is 'infant mortality'. And 2/800 or so is large. That would stop any production line I've been associated with and might get people fired.
03-07-2014, 05:28 AM
#40
Burning Brakes
I just wanna add some food for thought. The 991 GT3 was designed prior to VW's take-over of Porsche. No doubt at all that the design of the car is amazing. However, the production of the car came well after VW took over the helm. I have to wonder if the powers that be (bean counters) insisted on inferior quality materials or material sources with less stringent tolerances aka quality control. Porsche has built it's branding on the reputation of reliable supercar for the gentleman/woman sports car aficionado. Porsche also relies heavily and prides itself on the loyalty of repeat customers. I'm absolutely positive that Porsche will get to the root of the problem, sooner rather than later, but the GT3 has seemingly brought interest from many people who have never owned a Porsche before, just like the OP of this thread. I really hope this comes to a good positive resolution. I will have to say, I'd LOVE to be on the allocation list for a 991 GT3RS because with the hits the GT3's reputation is taking, you can be damn sure that the RS when introduced will be over engineered so as not to have ANY of these kinds of issues that the GT3 is currently seeing, perceived or otherwise. To those of you who are first time Porsche buyers, if you have a friend or know someone who has an earlier GT3 or RS such as a 996, 997.1 or 997.2, ask them for a ride and their impressions of the duration of their ownership of their cars. Then, you will realize that while this waiting game may be an annoyance hedging on agitating, once the announcement is finally made from the factory and the remedies are given, you will be quite happy with the outcome and your choice to sit behind the wheel of a Porsche GT3. Best of luck to all!
03-07-2014, 03:40 PM
#43
Rennlist Member
agreed, but 1st they have to resolve the current issue, *and* even if the RS engine is a larger capacity (doubt it)
I think you guys need to be patient here, these fires occurred in 2 cars out of a population of how many (1000?) that's like a 0.1% failure rate. They have to carry out a forensic analysis of the two cars that burned, postulate the various failure modes that may have resulted in the fire, then attempt to replicate/(in)validate those postulates, then complete the root cause analysis not only identifying the actual failure mode, but also what caused the failure, was it design, material/manufacturing problems, assembly issues, etc
This all takes time and painstaking engineering methodologies, its analogous to the sort of task undertaken after a plane crashes ... so dont expect this to happen overnight. Porsche's (and your) #1 concern should be that the issue is correctly identified and resolved.
I think you guys need to be patient here, these fires occurred in 2 cars out of a population of how many (1000?) that's like a 0.1% failure rate. They have to carry out a forensic analysis of the two cars that burned, postulate the various failure modes that may have resulted in the fire, then attempt to replicate/(in)validate those postulates, then complete the root cause analysis not only identifying the actual failure mode, but also what caused the failure, was it design, material/manufacturing problems, assembly issues, etc
This all takes time and painstaking engineering methodologies, its analogous to the sort of task undertaken after a plane crashes ... so dont expect this to happen overnight. Porsche's (and your) #1 concern should be that the issue is correctly identified and resolved.
Stop being so logical and reasonable. No place for that on these pages.
Boring.
Geez, you got a free loaner you can track to hearts content. Had I know I would have gotten the GT3 instead of the RS. Fingers crossed they explode into ***** of fire as well....
03-07-2014, 03:46 PM
#44
Rennlist Member
It's a 4.0 and orange, how many times to I have to make it up for you to accept that.
Stop being so logical and reasonable. No place for that on these pages.
Boring.
$156k? Did you cover the entire interior in whale ***** leather?
Geez, you got a free loaner you can track to hearts content. Had I know I would have gotten the GT3 instead of the RS. Fingers crossed they explode into ***** of fire as well....
Stop being so logical and reasonable. No place for that on these pages.
Boring.
$156k? Did you cover the entire interior in whale ***** leather?
Geez, you got a free loaner you can track to hearts content. Had I know I would have gotten the GT3 instead of the RS. Fingers crossed they explode into ***** of fire as well....