Consolidated 991RS thread
02-10-2014, 11:36 AM
#106
No way will we get a flat 8 in 991 RS. I think it will be the standard ~1 second faster around your local popular track, cost an extra $40k and be 5 decibels louder in-cabin plus extra man-boob shaking from the stiffer suspension. Oh--and clown color decals/wheels.
02-10-2014, 11:38 AM
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This^^ + magnesium roof and titanium exhaust is what I've heard on top of that
02-10-2014, 11:43 AM
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^^Agreed. The flat 8 would be too drastic a step change for the RS. Can't imagine that happening.
If it did, a 40-50k price delta from the 3 would be too much a bargain by Porsche standards...
If it did, a 40-50k price delta from the 3 would be too much a bargain by Porsche standards...
02-10-2014, 02:09 PM
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Agree. Take the above, add standard CF buckets, possibly a few CF or other exotic material pieces, and maybe standard PCCB with a $0 delete option for cast iron rotors and in Porsche world you've justified the rumored $50K increase. This RS will be to the 991 GT3 about the same as the previous RS was to the 997 GT3, IMHO.
02-10-2014, 02:16 PM
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Agree. Take the above, add standard CF buckets, possibly a few CF or other exotic material pieces, and maybe standard PCCB with a $0 delete option for cast iron rotors and in Porsche world you've justified the rumored $50K increase. This RS will be to the 991 GT3 about the same as the previous RS was to the 997 GT3, IMHO.
Betting on a CF roof like the TTS
02-10-2014, 02:28 PM
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02-10-2014, 02:29 PM
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totally predictable - probably closer to a 7.1 RS approach than a 7.2 RS IMO...
02-10-2014, 02:31 PM
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didn't think you would! 
I do wonder how they will make it lighter ... gotta be the CF roof like the TTS ... which would be cool!!!
I dont anticipate a larger displacement engine, probably a +15 increase as with previous generations ...
and of course sports buckets!
I do wonder how they will make it lighter ... gotta be the CF roof like the TTS ... which would be cool!!!
I dont anticipate a larger displacement engine, probably a +15 increase as with previous generations ...
and of course sports buckets!
02-10-2014, 02:40 PM
#115
Three Wheelin'
At the Daytona Rolex 24 I had a long conversation with Hurley Haywood - he expressed some very serious frustration with Porsche and IMSA - perhaps it was even wider than just IMSA from a controlling body perspective. I was not asked to keep any of this in confidence, however this conversation was mid-day between practices and the Dempsy team seemed a little frustrated so take it all with a grain of salt.
Seems one of the reasons Brumos is not racing as a primary sponsor in the United Sports Car Racing Series this year is the performance gap between the GT America and the other manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Aston. Hurley stated that the GT America drivers are "wringing it's neck" to achieve the same level of performance as the other cars where the drivers are "crusing around one handed". He went further to compare rear downforce on the Audi R8 vs the GT America, the larger rear wing and diffuser on the Audi makes about 3x the downforce of the Porsche.
He was very frustrated with the fact that Porsche in GTD brings the GT America which is a true production based platform. The tub essentially comes off the production line and is modified in specific areas for series compliance. The other manufacturers are bringing purpose built chassis with significant aerodynamics to GTD.
The discussion progressed to the RSR and the cost delta between the GT America and the Porsche 911 RSR. He seemed to indicate that Brumos was considering an investment in an RSR for the 2015 season. He stated that the chassis are capitalized assets so the initial investment wasn't a driver. There may have also been some underlying meaning here that Porsche was not interested in having a non-factory team for the first year of the 991 inspired RSR - however Hurley did not specifically say anything about that.
He may also be intimating that Porsche should bring a different weapon to GTD.
Ryan
Seems one of the reasons Brumos is not racing as a primary sponsor in the United Sports Car Racing Series this year is the performance gap between the GT America and the other manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Aston. Hurley stated that the GT America drivers are "wringing it's neck" to achieve the same level of performance as the other cars where the drivers are "crusing around one handed". He went further to compare rear downforce on the Audi R8 vs the GT America, the larger rear wing and diffuser on the Audi makes about 3x the downforce of the Porsche.
He was very frustrated with the fact that Porsche in GTD brings the GT America which is a true production based platform. The tub essentially comes off the production line and is modified in specific areas for series compliance. The other manufacturers are bringing purpose built chassis with significant aerodynamics to GTD.
The discussion progressed to the RSR and the cost delta between the GT America and the Porsche 911 RSR. He seemed to indicate that Brumos was considering an investment in an RSR for the 2015 season. He stated that the chassis are capitalized assets so the initial investment wasn't a driver. There may have also been some underlying meaning here that Porsche was not interested in having a non-factory team for the first year of the 991 inspired RSR - however Hurley did not specifically say anything about that.
He may also be intimating that Porsche should bring a different weapon to GTD.
Ryan
02-10-2014, 03:07 PM
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[QUOTE=Larry Cable;11122098]didn't think you would!
I do wonder how they will make it lighter ... gotta be the CF roof like the TTS ... which would be cool!!!
sorry, i don't get it. the TTS does not have a CF roof. but you can spec a glass sun roof on it...weighs probably 50pounds or so.
peter
I do wonder how they will make it lighter ... gotta be the CF roof like the TTS ... which would be cool!!!
sorry, i don't get it. the TTS does not have a CF roof. but you can spec a glass sun roof on it...weighs probably 50pounds or so.
peter
02-10-2014, 03:16 PM
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[QUOTE=markow;11122214]
I read multiple press reports at TT/S launch that stated that a CF roof would be available including this one:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/futur...sche-911-turbo
http://www.roadandtrack.com/go/futur...sche-911-turbo
02-10-2014, 04:19 PM
#118
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At the Daytona Rolex 24 I had a long conversation with Hurley Haywood - he expressed some very serious frustration with Porsche and IMSA - perhaps it was even wider than just IMSA from a controlling body perspective. I was not asked to keep any of this in confidence, however this conversation was mid-day between practices and the Dempsy team seemed a little frustrated so take it all with a grain of salt.
Seems one of the reasons Brumos is not racing as a primary sponsor in the United Sports Car Racing Series this year is the performance gap between the GT America and the other manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Aston. Hurley stated that the GT America drivers are "wringing it's neck" to achieve the same level of performance as the other cars where the drivers are "crusing around one handed". He went further to compare rear downforce on the Audi R8 vs the GT America, the larger rear wing and diffuser on the Audi makes about 3x the downforce of the Porsche.
He was very frustrated with the fact that Porsche in GTD brings the GT America which is a true production based platform. The tub essentially comes off the production line and is modified in specific areas for series compliance. The other manufacturers are bringing purpose built chassis with significant aerodynamics to GTD.
The discussion progressed to the RSR and the cost delta between the GT America and the Porsche 911 RSR. He seemed to indicate that Brumos was considering an investment in an RSR for the 2015 season. He stated that the chassis are capitalized assets so the initial investment wasn't a driver. There may have also been some underlying meaning here that Porsche was not interested in having a non-factory team for the first year of the 991 inspired RSR - however Hurley did not specifically say anything about that.
He may also be intimating that Porsche should bring a different weapon to GTD.
Ryan
Seems one of the reasons Brumos is not racing as a primary sponsor in the United Sports Car Racing Series this year is the performance gap between the GT America and the other manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Aston. Hurley stated that the GT America drivers are "wringing it's neck" to achieve the same level of performance as the other cars where the drivers are "crusing around one handed". He went further to compare rear downforce on the Audi R8 vs the GT America, the larger rear wing and diffuser on the Audi makes about 3x the downforce of the Porsche.
He was very frustrated with the fact that Porsche in GTD brings the GT America which is a true production based platform. The tub essentially comes off the production line and is modified in specific areas for series compliance. The other manufacturers are bringing purpose built chassis with significant aerodynamics to GTD.
The discussion progressed to the RSR and the cost delta between the GT America and the Porsche 911 RSR. He seemed to indicate that Brumos was considering an investment in an RSR for the 2015 season. He stated that the chassis are capitalized assets so the initial investment wasn't a driver. There may have also been some underlying meaning here that Porsche was not interested in having a non-factory team for the first year of the 991 inspired RSR - however Hurley did not specifically say anything about that.
He may also be intimating that Porsche should bring a different weapon to GTD.
Ryan
02-10-2014, 06:36 PM
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racing is expensive.
if you don't get offered enough factory support when you have decades-long history of racing and winning in porsches, on top of operating a porsche dealership, and the car is becoming stagnant and irrelevant in the competitive world of gt-racing, then you'd be pissed too.
especially when part of the solution requires you to purchase an uprated version of your car for double the money...
if you don't get offered enough factory support when you have decades-long history of racing and winning in porsches, on top of operating a porsche dealership, and the car is becoming stagnant and irrelevant in the competitive world of gt-racing, then you'd be pissed too.
especially when part of the solution requires you to purchase an uprated version of your car for double the money...
02-10-2014, 07:37 PM
#120
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At the Daytona Rolex 24 I had a long conversation with Hurley Haywood - he expressed some very serious frustration with Porsche and IMSA - perhaps it was even wider than just IMSA from a controlling body perspective. I was not asked to keep any of this in confidence, however this conversation was mid-day between practices and the Dempsy team seemed a little frustrated so take it all with a grain of salt.
Seems one of the reasons Brumos is not racing as a primary sponsor in the United Sports Car Racing Series this year is the performance gap between the GT America and the other manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Aston. Hurley stated that the GT America drivers are "wringing it's neck" to achieve the same level of performance as the other cars where the drivers are "crusing around one handed". He went further to compare rear downforce on the Audi R8 vs the GT America, the larger rear wing and diffuser on the Audi makes about 3x the downforce of the Porsche.
He was very frustrated with the fact that Porsche in GTD brings the GT America which is a true production based platform. The tub essentially comes off the production line and is modified in specific areas for series compliance. The other manufacturers are bringing purpose built chassis with significant aerodynamics to GTD.
The discussion progressed to the RSR and the cost delta between the GT America and the Porsche 911 RSR. He seemed to indicate that Brumos was considering an investment in an RSR for the 2015 season. He stated that the chassis are capitalized assets so the initial investment wasn't a driver. There may have also been some underlying meaning here that Porsche was not interested in having a non-factory team for the first year of the 991 inspired RSR - however Hurley did not specifically say anything about that.
He may also be intimating that Porsche should bring a different weapon to GTD.
Ryan
Seems one of the reasons Brumos is not racing as a primary sponsor in the United Sports Car Racing Series this year is the performance gap between the GT America and the other manufacturers like Audi, BMW and Aston. Hurley stated that the GT America drivers are "wringing it's neck" to achieve the same level of performance as the other cars where the drivers are "crusing around one handed". He went further to compare rear downforce on the Audi R8 vs the GT America, the larger rear wing and diffuser on the Audi makes about 3x the downforce of the Porsche.
He was very frustrated with the fact that Porsche in GTD brings the GT America which is a true production based platform. The tub essentially comes off the production line and is modified in specific areas for series compliance. The other manufacturers are bringing purpose built chassis with significant aerodynamics to GTD.
The discussion progressed to the RSR and the cost delta between the GT America and the Porsche 911 RSR. He seemed to indicate that Brumos was considering an investment in an RSR for the 2015 season. He stated that the chassis are capitalized assets so the initial investment wasn't a driver. There may have also been some underlying meaning here that Porsche was not interested in having a non-factory team for the first year of the 991 inspired RSR - however Hurley did not specifically say anything about that.
He may also be intimating that Porsche should bring a different weapon to GTD.
Ryan