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Old 01-17-2014, 08:09 PM
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I got the call todayů I get to turn in my GT3 order configuration. Yeehaw!!! I didn't expect the call to come before August though, so I was caught a little flat footed.

I have membership access to a local road course and make good use of it. As such, I had been thinking of getting the ceramic brakes but switching to the steel 410 / 390 rotors and corresponding pads before I had gone through the original PCCB's. Nobody at 2 different dealers though, has been able to tell me what the steel 410 / 390 kit costs, or how available they'll be. Does anyone out there know?

Also, does anybody have a feel for how much better the larger size steel brakes will perform over the stock ones? Any thoughts or suggestions for setup on a car that will spend a lot of time on the track, but also be street driven, would be appreciated.

FWIW, the car won't be "raced", just tracked. My current car (981CS), has stock rotors with Pagid R29 pads which stay on the car all the time. That configuration is adequate for my track and street use, with that car.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:22 PM
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Performance will be close to identical. Cost unknown.
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:29 PM
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search. Lots of threads on PCCB vs steel. Also brows parts in suncoast.com for steel vs ceramic to give an idea on replacement cost.
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PCCB . I like Yellow calipers. I'm a sucker for weight. That said. Limit pads for PCCB. Cost a **** load for those pads with only 3 choices. OEM/RSC/P50. None are good as an all around pad.

IMO if street driving- PCCB are cool as no dust.
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Old 01-17-2014, 08:54 PM
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I've heard rumors of this"kit", however it's my belief that it will consist of nothing more than the stock cast iron parts (rotors & pads). I'm assuming that the rotor sizes will be the same between iron and ceramic, as they are on the 7.2 cars.

In time, I would expect you'll be able to find 3rd party rotors in the 410mm diameter. However, I'm certain a smaller 380 or 390 would work too.
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:04 PM
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Stock steels are 380 F and R. Can't imagine a steel kit 410F and 390R, as the weight penalty would be excessive.
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I've endless read all of the forum threads on this for years.
Clearly the standard brakes are by far the more sensible choice and are more than adequate for either street or track use.

Which is why I chose the PCCB ceramic brakes on my new GT3!

Buying a GT3 isn't about practicality.
It's about assembling the perfect car that lights your fire. At the end of the day the GT3 is a very advanced high tech car. I wanted the most advanced brakes possible. Plus they look cool! I admit it was an emotional decision.
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My 0.02c go Steel. Performance difference on the street is zero, and on track steel is zero issues compared to PCCB.

Spend the difference on other upgrades.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:43 PM
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I've endless read all of the forum threads on this for years.
Clearly the standard brakes are by far the more sensible choice and are more than adequate for either street or track use.

Which is why I chose the PCCB ceramic brakes on my new GT3!

Buying a GT3 isn't about practicality.
It's about assembling the perfect car that lights your fire. At the end of the day the GT3 is a very advanced high tech car. I wanted the most advanced brakes possible. Plus they look cool! I admit it was an emotional decision.
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Old 01-20-2014, 11:55 PM
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^+1^ Couldn't says it any better myself.
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And a big +2.....
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Old 01-21-2014, 12:25 AM
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Can I say +3? I guess I just did...
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Dumb question...for those tracking, but not racing intensely, do you have any estimate of track days (assuming 0.5-2 hrs of driving) or track miles that they expect the steels vs. PCCBs to last?

I 100% agree w/ the bling factor and want that for my GT3, but don't want to find myself hesitating to really exercising this beast of a car b/c I'm staring down the barrel of a $20k brake job. I love the PCCBs and I want the "best," but I'm also aware that if it weren't for the existence of the PCCBs, I would think the red calipers on the iron rotors were as sick as it gets. It's only the "relative" gap that entices me to want the yellow PCCBs to match my yellow belts all on a white or GT Silver canvas.
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I don't know if its childish at this point to say it...but when you are spending the kind of $$$ that the gt3 ends up being with just a few options...you may as well just go ***** to the wall and get all the functional toys you can to go with it...IMHO, anyone who doesn't order the PCCBs for this GT3 will end up regretting it later on down the line. And anyone who really plans on tracking the thing so much that they end up wanting steel brakes because of how many times you plan on replacing them...BUY A 996 cup for the track...it will save you all the hassle and be more fun overall. The 991 Gt3 is a racy car for the road...get to fun bits to go with it!
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Old 01-21-2014, 02:02 AM
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I'm not sure about the comments that PCCB have no value on the road. I drove the latest gen (only gen?) BMW CCBs recently, both at COTA and on Austin streets and I absolutely could feel a massive difference to iron. The CCBs were simply stellar and smooth as butter.

I'm taking the leap of faith and hoping Porsches 3rd gen is a step forward in functionality. If not, when they're toast replace them with iron and chalk up the 9k to a fun experiment. Or drop 20k on MovIt CCBs that supposedly last forever on the track
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