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FLM911 12-24-2013 10:42 AM

GT3 Race Track Manual
 
Quick scan of the new racetrack use manual for the GT3. Has the setup and maintenance schedule included.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B95...it?usp=sharing

(sorry alternate pages are upside down - tried to get the best quality from the scanner and it was the only way to get it to work)

Food for thought in here for sure.

911rox 12-24-2013 11:01 AM

No slicks allowed... Sad indeed.

Thanks for posting. At least they are now being more thorough with whats required or expected with track use...

FLM911 12-24-2013 11:11 AM

I suppose technically Hoosier R6 isn't a slick as its DOT approved although not recommended to be used on the road.

Hoopumpers 12-24-2013 11:14 AM

Thx for posting! So the only warranty voiding language I saw in there was around slicks, wheel sizing and maint intervals. I'm assuming the 997 manual did not have a similar statement around slicks?

DOT R Hoosiers would appear to pass this black and white warning then (if they are even available in stock sizes someday)

GrantG 12-24-2013 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by Hoopumpers (Post 11000131)
I'm assuming the 997 manual did not have a similar statement around slicks?

Nope. Although not confirmed, I think the RWS can't keep up with the huge forces created with slicks. My guess as to why the RS is going without RWS (and presumably with slicks allowed). Just a guess...

Nizer 12-24-2013 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by Hoopumpers (Post 11000131)
I'm assuming the 997 manual did not have a similar statement around slicks?

Nope. Straight up disclaimer that warranty was void with track use.

Kudos to Porsche for finally stepping up and aligning the GT3 warranty policy with their marketing.

0Q991 12-24-2013 12:11 PM

Whoa. No voiding of warranty with track use as long as you keep up with maintenance and tire guidelines???

Manifold 12-24-2013 12:14 PM

This is excellent, makes me more inclined to buy the car for track use. Some notes:

- They don't mention using racing brake fluid, but I'd certainly do that. And flush is needed no farther apart than every few events, so many times in 12 months if tracking often.

- They imply that the stock brake pads are adequate for track use. That would surprise me, unless the stock pads are quite different from typical street pads.

- My interpretation is that something like an R6 would be OK. But there may not be many tire options for this wheel size for quite a while.

- I like that the alignment is already set up to be a reasonable compromise between street and track, and that it's apparently easily adjusted.

- Replacement of parts on their schedule won't be cheap, but it's great that they provide a schedule.

- I've always taken air out of cold tires so that I'd wind up with the right hot pressures, and I've seen most everyone else doing that. But I give a few laps for the pressures to come up before really hammering it.

- Overall, this info increases my confidence that Porsche has done what it takes to make this car trackworthy, and stands behind that with warranty.

:thumbup:

FLM911 12-24-2013 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by 0Q991 (Post 11000267)
Whoa. No voiding of warranty with track use as long as you keep up with maintenance and tire guidelines???

As long as no mods either which is obvious I suppose.

consolidated 12-24-2013 12:16 PM

Good news for GT3 owners.

0Q991 12-24-2013 12:23 PM

@FLM911 -- Thanks for posting, great info. Granted, it makes waiting for my March delivery more difficult...but it's a great problem to have. :)

Dr.Bill 12-24-2013 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by Nizer (Post 11000189)
Nope. Straight up disclaimer that warranty was void with track use.

Kudos to Porsche for finally stepping up and aligning the GT3 warranty policy with their marketing.

This supplement does not mention any warranty policy at all. It's just the required service, maintenance, and inspection intervals for track use, should you assume that risk.

The primary manual would have warranty information. Wonder what that says? Although I have an idea.

I think this supplement makes it imperative to keep meticulous records of any track use to document compliance. Now it's just too easy for them to say - of course the wheel fell off, you didn't follow the protocol.

Manifold 12-24-2013 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by RayDBonz (Post 11000308)
This supplement does not mention any warranty policy at all. It's just the required service, maintenance, and inspection intervals for track use, should you assume that risk.

The primary manual would have warranty information. Wonder what that says? Although I have an idea.

I think this supplement makes it imperative to keep meticulous records of any track use to document compliance. Now it's just too easy for them to say - of course the wheel fell off, you didn't follow the protocol.

That doesn't make sense to me. Porsche can't offer specific guidelines on proper track use of the car, including being specific about what's not permitted, and then not warranty that use. But I agree with the need to keep meticulous records to document compliance (shouldn't be a big deal, just keep a log and receipts).

Mike in CA 12-24-2013 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by RayDBonz (Post 11000308)
This supplement does not mention any warranty policy at all. It's just the required service, maintenance, and inspection intervals for track use, should you assume that risk.

"The main objective here is to help you insure that your GT3 remains in good technical condition at all times, including during driving on the race circuit.
Under certain circumstances the warranty may be voided if these aspects are not taken into consideration.
"


The direct implication of the wording is that if the additional service aspects ARE followed, the warranty will remain in force. A big step up from the previous "track events will void the warranty" language and very welcome news.

Nick 12-24-2013 02:34 PM

Just let the dealer do all the servicing of the car and there is little Porsche can claim to void the warranty.

911rox 12-24-2013 05:20 PM

Highly doubt Hoosier R6 would be considered compliant... Not an N Spec tyre and slick like grip... I would not consider them acceptable so be careful gents...

zedcat 12-24-2013 05:40 PM

OP thanks for posting that. Anyone have thoughts on what constitutes a "race circuit session"? Seems it would be a typical DE weekend and not an individual +/- 20 minute run session. Wouldn't need to pull the CL wheels and grease etc for each run, surely? Otherwise it seems pretty comparable to the required tech inspections.

Manifold 12-24-2013 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by zedcat (Post 11000998)
OP thanks for posting that. Anyone have thoughts on what constitutes a "race circuit session"? Seems it would be a typical DE weekend and not an individual +/- 20 minute run session. Wouldn't need to pull the CL wheels and grease etc for each run, surely? Otherwise it seems pretty comparable to the required tech inspections.

I agree with your interpretation ... and I hope we're right!

paver 12-24-2013 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by zedcat (Post 11000998)
OP thanks for posting that. Anyone have thoughts on what constitutes a "race circuit session"? Seems it would be a typical DE weekend and not an individual +/- 20 minute run session. Wouldn't need to pull the CL wheels and grease etc for each run, surely? Otherwise it seems pretty comparable to the required tech inspections.

You don't need pull the wheels just to put grease on the centerlock mechanism. The greasing is done each time the wheels go back on after a tire change, brake changes, other service which req'd the wheel to be removed.

shizzle 12-24-2013 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by GrantG (Post 11000138)
Nope. Although not confirmed, I think the RWS can't keep up with the huge forces created with slicks. My guess as to why the RS is going without RWS (and presumably with slicks allowed). Just a guess...

Nothing to do with RWS I bet. The manual for my 991 C2S also says no slicks, and has recommended intervals for track use.

Serge944 12-24-2013 07:01 PM

The manual further reaffirms Pete Stout's insight about very specific performance parameters that required high front wheel offset which doesn't quite fill the fenders.

This is the first time I've ever seen a manufacturer have such prescriptive requirements regarding wheel offset.

TRAKCAR 12-24-2013 07:08 PM

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I don't see ads like this anymore..

Macca 12-25-2013 02:40 PM

Pete. Great ad, and you are right those days are gone now - actually have been since the 996.2Gt3RS IMO. When did the stock US 3.3T of 1992 ever hit 4.25c 0-60? Am I missing something from other contemporary reviews? Seems pretty fast for 20 years old tech - faster than the 4.5s Porsche quoted for the 993TT two generations later....just a pedantic observation....

skuplist 12-25-2013 04:06 PM

Am I reading this correctly that the manual states removing and inspecting the center wheel locking mechanism before each track event?

frayed 12-25-2013 04:53 PM

Great ad. I'm somewhat biased owning the a 964 Turbo, but a race car it is not! LOL

TRAKCAR 12-25-2013 05:59 PM

Sellme

GreenLantern 12-25-2013 07:41 PM

Ah! Thanks for posting this. :)

MaxLTV 12-25-2013 10:07 PM

So with what a typical avid lapper would do, the rear hubs should last about 2-3 years and the fronts twice as much, if my math is correct. That's not too bad. Undesirable cost, but not prohibitive. Also, seems that warranty should be intact unless maintenance is not followed. One thing I do not understand - let's say someone figures out a 19" tire option with correct offsets and overall diameters and non-slick tires - will it be a violation or still ok for warranty?

Not that significant, but I was surprised to see oil change intervals at 6K track miles - that's several times as long as most of us do... I suspected that much for a while, based on oil analysis showing modern synthetics almost unchanged after 10+ track days, but it seems there is an official confirmation (unless it's a huge conspiracy to make cars blow up faster to sell more new ones, as most on BMW forums believe).

brake dust 12-26-2013 10:52 AM


Seems it would be a typical DE weekend and not an individual +/- 20 minute run session
Any circuit driving would contribute to the overall run time history. Even autocross. Agree that the oil change interval seems to long! Believe it's cheap insurance to keep the engine "healthy".


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